Why change a winning formula ? Russia answer to the shootdown of an Il-20 off Syria.

[sarahtasher]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/polit...ane/index.html

You have to give it credit to Russians : obviously not hindered by red tape, their investigations proceed at breakneck speed. While Western investigations about crashes required months, Putin fine team of investigators can find culprits when they don't even know where the wreck is ! The only way to be even more efficient would be to name the culprits before the crime, and Putin is working on that.

Sarcasm aside, in a way that totally not recall another accident, Moscow pushed at the same time several stories.

-It was a French frigate who shot down the Russians (they presumably mistook it from the several dozens maritime patrol aircraft operated by ISIS and other groups)
-The French frigate shot missiles and the Syrian defence shot at the mistake, accidently hitting the IL-20
-No in fact it was Israeli missiles
-No, really it was Israeli jets that conspired by placing themselves just behind the Il-20 to force the Syrians to shoot it down l (presumably way more popular amongst RT viewers)

See, apparently, those dastardly Zionists were ''hidden behind'' the IL-20, using the well known identical radar signatures of ''8 fighter jets'' and ''a single turboprop patrol aircraft'', like when those heathen Ukrainians hide an attack aircraft behind an Malaysian airliner. Because otherwise it would suggest that Russians weapons are given like candies to people who are not qualified to operate them, which is a big NO-NO...

[Uzkin]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/polit...ane/index.htmlYou have to give it credit to Russians : obviously not hindered by red tape, their investigations proceed at breakneck speed. While Western investigations about crashes required months, Putin fine team of investigators can find culprits when they don't even know where the wreck is ! The only way to be even more efficient would be to name the culprits before the crime, and Putin is working on that.

Russians aren't exceptionally fast in this investigation business, though. For example, the UK investigations into Russian guilt can reach their conclusion just as fast, if not faster. And nothing can beat the US investigations into, say, the guilt of Syrian government: those investigations have often reached their conclusion long before the actual incident has even taken place. Now THAT is fast!

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It was Syrian AA that shot down the Aeroplane and not the Israelies. It would not have happened if the Russian trained the Syrian AA Crews before equiping them with advanced AA equipment.

When the Syrians launched the Missiles that downed the Plane the IAF was in Israeli Airspace.
The Russians, Syrians messed up and now they are trying to shift the blame to everyone but themself.

[ParanoiD84]

First turkey takes one down and now syria

[Shadowferal]

Look at all the fingers pointing...

[sarahtasher]

It was Syrian AA that shot down the Aeroplane and not the Israelies. It would not have happened if the Russian trained the Syrian AA Crews before equiping them with advanced AA equipment.

When the Syrians launched the Missiles that downed the Plane the IAF was in Israeli Airspace.
The Russians, Syrians messed up and now they are trying to shift the blame to everyone but themself.

As I tried to say, the (lame) excuse is that French or Israeli ''cheated'' and got the Russian aircraft shot down

[Zoranon]

My favourite part is how now the israeli figheter jets which were about 100 metres up were supposed to be hiding behind a russian turboprop which was about 6 km up...

Honestly I dont get why the Russians lie so brazenly, one would expect them to make their lies at least a bit beliefable.

[Flarelaine]

I cherish the irony.

Russia supplied those air defense systems to Assad in order to keep the West out. And there was no end on the web to Russia fanbois extolling the system, saying how it can't be beat coz Russia ftw. And now they finally shoot something down... and it's a Russian plane. Oops.

I wonder if @Skroe sees it the same way, after all his bouts with Ulmita.

[sarahtasher]

BTW, accidental shotdowns occurs, especially in time of war. The immediate blame shifting of the Russians is hilarious-somehow, the S200 can't shoot by accident a old turboprop plan unless they are tricked doing so by Israelis ? Isn't saying ''our missiles can accidently hit friendly aircraft'' worse than ''the IFF glitched'' ?

[Kronik85]

What's obviously happened here is that the plane caught food poisoning and accidently fell out of the sky on to a Russian missile system. Occum's razor guys, seriously.

[Shalcker]

It was Syrian AA that shot down the Aeroplane and not the Israelies. It would not have happened if the Russian trained the Syrian AA Crews before equiping them with advanced AA equipment.

When the Syrians launched the Missiles that downed the Plane the IAF was in Israeli Airspace.
The Russians, Syrians messed up and now they are trying to shift the blame to everyone but themself.

No, when they launched missiles they were over sea off the coast of Syria, which is most definitely no Israeli airspace.

S-200 is complex from 1960th; it is far from being advanced. Only defence of "friendlies" it has is at launch level; once you launched there is no going back on your decision.

It was launched at Israeli F-16, they moved into Il-20 area, and S-200 missile, being quite dumb and having absolutely no way of being re-directed mid-course (remember, 196x), goes for biggest target once it's own homing is activated, as designed. Exactly same reason Siberian Airlines Flight 1812 was shot down by Ukraine with same S-200 - they launched at training decoy but S-200 missile went for bigger Tu-154 instead.

Combined with attack warning coming just a minute before it happened, allowing absolutely no way of moving Il-20 out of the way, it looks quite deliberate.

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I cherish the irony.

Russia supplied those air defense systems to Assad in order to keep the West out. And there was no end on the web to Russia fanbois extolling the system, saying how it can't be beat coz Russia ftw. And now they finally shoot something down... and it's a Russian plane. Oops.

S-200 could just as well be supplied by Soviets.

Syrians already shot another Israeli F-16 in February.

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I think the obvious choice, consistent with previous Turkish response, would be to give Syrians systems that can discriminate targets better then S-200 - like S-300.

It was delayed at Israeli insistence, but obviously, safety of Russian forces comes first...

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I think the obvious choice, consistent with previous Turkish response, would be to give Syrians systems that can discriminate targets better then S-200 - like S-300.

It was delayed at Israeli insistence, but obviously, safety of Russian forces comes first...

[caervek]

It was Syrian AA that shot down the Aeroplane and not the Israelies. It would not have happened if the Russian trained the Syrian AA Crews before equiping them with advanced AA equipment.

I would suspect the Syrian AA Crews that the USSR trained when handing over the S-200s are all either dead or retired by now mate, we are talking like half a century ago lol.

NB: "Technically" speaking the IAF pilots are the ones responsible for the planes destruction as they chose to use it as a decoy to save their own lives (gotta admit, I would have done the same thing).