Captain Marvel [2019]

[Xath]

1 is from IW, but Nick may not have known it was that serious until people were being dusted, they survived the first two Avengers films.
2 that’s the closest you’ve got and it doesn’t really impact anything but a few bad jokes about an unwieldy acronym.
3 why do you think they were waiting to do the weapons stuff when it was clearly already developed by then? It took them over a decade, but they had completed weapons based on the tesseract.

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Seriously? He lied to them constantly. See winter soldier for reference.

He had reason to lie to them in winter soldier it serves no purpose to say that thor is how they found out they weren't alone.

[Goldielocks]

How about protecting the Skrulls and the like? Fury was big on only telling people waht they needed to know at that time.

Why would telling the Avengers something like that protect the Skrulls? They left the planet 17 years earlier.

Obviously when A1 was written Thor was the first alien modern human civilization had ever seen, which limits creative possibilities. CM was written a decade later. This was bound to happen.

[AmbushIntheDark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5CU4HqQ5EU

Untrue. They didn't know how to use the Tesseract to create those weapons until after Thor occured. Watch the post credit scene.
And? Things are more nuanced than that. Fury had a reason. There's no reason this time.

Yeah, them arguing in a room while things are getting tense is a great time to drop that "Actually, we made these weapons because I ran into shapeshifting aliens who were able to completely copy the likeness of any person they can see. I'm telling you this because being 2 civillians, a norse god and a couple soldiers who are arguing at this very moment are clearly in the right frame of mind to hear this world-shattering completely irrelevant revelation that you dont have the clearance or trust to keep secret. Now about Loki..."

Call me crazy but that is a significantly shittier solution than just lying to the people you clearly dont trust yet. Sure am glad you dont write these movies.

[Goldielocks]

Yeah, them arguing in a room while things are getting tense is a great time to drop that "Actually, we made these weapons because I ran into shapeshifting aliens who were able to completely copy the likeness of any person they can see. I'm telling you this because being 2 civillians, a norse god and a couple soldiers who are arguing at this very moment are clearly in the right frame of mind to hear this world-shattering completely irrelevant revelation that you dont have the clearance or trust to keep secret. Now about Loki..."

Call me crazy but that is a significantly shittier solution than just lying to the people you clearly dont trust yet. Sure am glad you dont write these movies.

Huh? What does telling them the entire truth have to do with anything? Fury could've just said they wanted to advance Earth's weapons technology, and the conversation would have went in the same direction.

It's actually funny how people are willing to accept unnecessary lies just so that CM doesn't break continuity lmao

[AmbushIntheDark]

Huh? What does telling them the entire truth have to do with anything? Fury could've just said they wanted to advance Earth's weapons technology, and the conversation would have went in the same direction.

It's actually funny how people are willing to accept unnecessary lies just so that CM doesn't break continuity lmao

So you're saying Fury has a reason to withhold information from them? And him lying to them after its established that he lies to everyone and is very slow to trust makes sense? Cool, glad we're on the same page now.

For the record, this movie is "OK", I'd give it a 7/10. Not great, obviously has some problems but overall a decent movie and far from the worst Marvel movie. Its basically a phase 1 movie similar to the first Captain America. If you want something to *actually* complain about then I suggest the frantic editing during the fight scenes. Trying to nitpick "continuity errors" that dont actually exist just makes people write off what youre saying.

Also while I'm here:

They clearly didnt have the technology/smarts available to harness the Cube. They recruit the guy from Thor only because he recently had a up close look at fucking *magic* and was able to make sense of it. They didnt actually get to keep or study any of the tech from this movie except the pager that I imagine Fury wanted to keep EXTRA secret. Howard Stark had died 5 years ago and Hark Pym wasnt on speaking terms with Shield so anyone capable to harness it didnt come around until much later.


Fury didnt call her until everyone was getting dusted because until then everything wasnt *totally* fucked. In A1 the invasion was contained in New York, if the nuke had gone off and killed everyone and didnt close the gate then I imagine thats a good "push the button" moment. In Ultron Tony very quickly comes up with a way to stop the city from wiping everyone out, the drama wasnt "omg the world is doomed" it was "I'm willing to die for this but how do we save the civilians". He uses the pager when its become clear that the Avengers didnt have the situation contained in Wakanda/they failed.


While I'm not totally sure on this, Shield "not being known as shield" until Iron Man 1 can just be explained as Coulson having a stick up his ass when talking to Tony and Pepper and trying to emphasis their importance of their need to debrief Tony by saying the agency's entire name rather than the acronym.

[Super Kami Dende]

Seriously? He lied to them constantly. See winter soldier for reference.

If your entire defense for shitty writing and continuation errors is "Lol Fury lies" I guess no one can actually have a legitimate discussion with you about it.

[telygroar]

Again with people "it's too feminist" ? Seriously, you have mental problems if you think you're hurt this movie is heavy feminist-something. Grow a pair, you sissies §

[Aurrora]

Fury didnt call her until everyone was getting dusted because until then everything wasnt *totally* fucked. In A1 the invasion was contained in New York, if the nuke had gone off and killed everyone and didnt close the gate then I imagine thats a good "push the button" moment.

Let me explain this to you slowly: In Avengers things had escalated to the point where they were willing to nuke one of the most populated cities on Earth in an attempt to stop the invasion, in what universe is this not something considered an emergency? Do you really think Captain Marvel would have taken the pager in anger at being called in for "small stuff" when we saw her fight off the Kree to save a handful of Skrulls?

[Skulltaker]

Let me explain this to you slowly: In Avengers things had escalated to the point where they were willing to nuke one of the most populated cities on Earth in an attempt to stop the invasion, in what universe is this not something considered an emergency? Do you really think Captain Marvel would have taken the pager in anger as being called in for "small stuff" when we saw her fight off the Kree to save a handful of Skrulls?

And even if we gloss aside Avengers, and say that an Alien Invasion is managable, there's still Age of Ultron, where a crazed murderAI decided to wipe out all organic life on the planet. Or another alien Invasion in england, where a crazy deformed Elf wanted to bathe all known dimensions in etarnal Darkness.

What I think what happened was that originally, they planned it to be 'just' her on earth, and later decided to add Shield, Fury and Coulson, after the outlines for the story were already in place. And then they had to improvise here and there.

[Budong]

Nick Fury saved a kind of sluggish first half but the second half was all her absolutely kicking ass. They did a pretty good job capturing the personality of Carol Danvers.

Could it be better, sure. I would have approached the first half differently but overall I enjoyed it quite a lot. It's in the top half of the Marvel movies imo. As long as you don't waste too much time trying to nitpick it to death and just relax and enjoy a good popcorn flick you'll have fun. Too many people approach these kinds of movies all wrong and get twisted up in knots over silly stuff. Go watch it and get ready for Endgame.

[Kokolums]

I liked it, I normally agree with the anti SJW crowd on a lot of things but this time I think they're blowing things out of proportion - this movie isn't a ghostbusters. I highly doubt Brie Larson truly will be the new face of marvel, simply because she isn't the strongest actor in the MCU, but aside from that - the film wasn't anywhere near as patronising or baity as I admittedly expected it to be, which I am happy about. For once I'm glad my expectations were wrong

Somehow I don't think you play video games.

Have you noticed how Blizzard "overtunes" stuff often? They take things to the extreme, they take it to 11. They do this ALL the damn time. Raids are often ridiculously overtuned in places. They actually do this on purpose. They do this because they want people to get upset, and then they roll out nerfs. The nerfs are crafted to make people react by saying "peopel were blowing this out of proportion. This actually isn't that bad at all".

Blizzard COULD roll out content at the level of difficulty they actually want it to be at. But then people would complain and ask for nerfs ANYWAY, and they would have to make it easier than intended. But to get people to accept THEIR view, they overtune at the start on purpose.

The funny thing is, political parties use the EXACT same mind trick when promoting their agenda.

Let's say a political party wanted to get you to accept a feminist agenda. If they just present their agenda as they want it, people will complain and ask them to tone it down and nerf it. Then they will end up with less than they want. So, JUST LIKE BLIZZARD, they overtune. They don't offer feminism. They offer 3rd wave hyperfeminism designed to get crazy looks and wild reactions from people. Once they establish that, THEN they nerf it. They tone it down and offer a milder feminist message (like perhaps what you might get in Captain Marvel). The goal is to trick people into saying "oh people are blowing it out of proportion, this isn't so bad".

And just like that, they convert you without you realizing it. In your mind, you think you've won a battle and gotten some concessions. In reality, they got 100% of what they wanted and you surrendered your entire position.

Hitler used to use this idea. Hitler would have people on the streetcorner making wild ridiculous demands, then he would come in with slightly less crazy ideas and by doing that, people were convinced he was more of a moderate.

Spam isn't allowed. Infracted.

[Kontinuum]

Here's a message for you nerds

[Zaktar]

I'd also add that continuity errors are not the mark of bad fiction. The original comics are full of them...

Wish more people understood that. Writers are human and even if they obsessively try to avoid making continuity errors, they still will. Even if they are supported by people whose sole job it is to avoid continuity errors, they still will, because the backstory is mindbogglingly large and we're all human.

The annoying thing is that if you've ever tried to study history on a personal level, you discover that continuity errors are a problem in real life too. In my old job we were celebrating a 20th anniversary so I spent some time compiling the history of the place and got a huge number of stories from people of how things used to be. There were enormous amounts of conflicts, and some things everyone agreed on were conflicted by the documentation trail (this happened in X year... except it didn't; people in this job used to be called A... except they were called something else entirely, etc). It was just 20 years worth of history and some of the stuff which had conflicting stories was massive, like deaths or large organizational changes.

If one needs a way to resolve a conflict, just remind yourself that whatever you saw/read before was a perspective, and now you're experiencing a different perspective.

[Kokolums]

Have you seen the film? Just curious

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Also, jesus christ dude.

If you don't understand how people can play mind tricks to get you to accept any point of view, you are basically a sheep that will obey whatever a strong person or group says. Just sayin' I mean Trump does it all the damn time too. He enters negotiation with a foreign political leader. He starts out very warm. Then he goes overboard with being tough. Then he softens back up. He's playing the same mind game. Ask for 150% and then "compromise" by asking for 100% of what you want. The media tends to cast what he does in a different light by saying he has totally failed everytime he gets super tough and breaks off talks. Oh Trump broke off talks with North Korea Trump is a failure". No, he's a strong negotiator using solid mind games.

[Mormolyce]

Yeah true. It's very much a "Which Superman vs Which Goku" type of scenario. Basic Thor vs Flashpoint Diana? I'd hand it to Diana. WonderWoman vs Rune King Thor. Thor all day.

I just think there are more incarnations of Thor that would have the upper hand overall. But there would be variances dependent on which you chose.

There's also the question of how the scaling works between universes, like in the Marvel Universe Thor is a big deal, but the DC universe has a power level that's actually fucking nuts and they generally come out higher as a result.

But yes, this is all silly and we could get to the point of throwing individual issues at each other out of 50 years of continuity and thousands of comics so *shrug*.

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Fury has no reason to lie to them and state that Thor was the reason they found out they weren't alone in the universe.

Remember when the Thor movies implied the Vikings knew about the real Asgard?

There's actually plenty of these kinds of plot holes in the MCU if you're really looking for them.

Probably the biggest one at this point is why did Thanos give Loki a staff containing an Infinity Stone, that he was supposedly looking for? Sure you can make up your own headcanon to explain it, but the movies don't.

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Why wait until half the planet is getting dusted to call "so called" most powerful character

Did Fury even know what was going on in the Battle for Wakanda?

As for the previous films, Fury helped create the Avengers specifically to fight those kinds of battles without having to depend on someone like Captain Marvel. And up until Infinity War, he was proven right.

I mean if you're going to ask questions like that then you have to ask things like "why didn't the Avengers turn up to help Thor in Thor 2 when the Dark Elves ripped open the sky?".

[Dextroden]

There's also the question of how the scaling works between universes, like in the Marvel Universe Thor is a big deal, but the DC universe has a power level that's actually fucking nuts and they generally come out higher as a result.

But yes, this is all silly and we could get to the point of throwing individual issues at each other out of 50 years of continuity and thousands of comics so *shrug*.

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Remember when the Thor movies implied the Vikings knew about the real Asgard?

There's actually plenty of these kinds of plot holes in the MCU if you're really looking for them.

Probably the biggest one at this point is why did Thanos give Loki a staff containing an Infinity Stone, that he was supposedly looking for? Sure you can make up your own headcanon to explain it, but the movies don't.

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Did Fury even know what was going on in the Battle for Wakanda?

As for the previous films, Fury helped create the Avengers specifically to fight those kinds of battles without having to depend on someone like Captain Marvel. And up until Infinity War, he was proven right.

I mean if you're going to ask questions like that then you have to ask things like "why didn't the Avengers turn up to help Thor in Thor 2 when the Dark Elves ripped open the sky?".

People were. People were asking where SHIELD was during Iron Man 3 since the president got kidnapped. You'd think they'd be all over that. People were asking why no heroes show up when huge things go down in someone else's movie.

[Skulltaker]

I mean if you're going to ask questions like that then you have to ask things like "why didn't the Avengers turn up to help Thor in Thor 2 when the Dark Elves ripped open the sky?".

I did ask that Question, so did many others. Repeatedly. It's a problem with an interconnected universe. Maybe Shield, Captain America and Hulk wouldn't be fast enough to reach the site of the incursion in time, at least not with notable forces, but Iron Man should have been there. Apperantly, Avengers only assemble when the plot demands it.

[Zeek Daniels]

Captain Marvel is a good movie. I put it in the mid tier of marvel films.

[Makabreska]

I did ask that Question, so did many others. Repeatedly. It's a problem with an interconnected universe. Maybe Shield, Captain America and Hulk wouldn't be fast enough to reach the site of the incursion in time, at least not with notable forces, but Iron Man should have been there. Apperantly, Avengers only assemble when the plot demands it.

It's called "actors didn't have time" or "studio didn't want to pay extra for cameo role".

[Melius]

oh god i hope this superhero genre dies out soon. you can watch the same story over and over again so many times untill you get bored of it. its the same recipe with all of them. while im a fairly open minded person i find it that critics are quite generous with movies involving minorities or female leads for some reason. i mean bro there are plenty of male lead movies that suck ass and are bombed by critics, same goes for male directors. but when it comes to women and minorities they are in most times soft on them. are they afraid to speak out and tell us what we all know, brie larson was bad for the role and her acting isnt great at all. what she said about white people and stuff isnt really surprising, its a common trait among american female actors, thank lord gal gadot is israeli and showed class each time she gave a speech about empowering girls or about wonder woman. i do miss a dark knight triology superhero type movie tho. everything coming out of marvel and dc are shallow predictable and forgetable movies.