The just give me a try rant.

[toffmcsoft]

Wow & the wow community makes it extremely difficult for skilled players to be successful on their own.
Unfortunately, the community doesn't help the problem as you cannot get invited to any group without having the achievements and/or ilvl.

Now, getting the gear is the easy part.
Getting accepted by the "good" players to give you the chance, your one shot, your one opportunity is the hard part.

Take RBGs for example.
You could be a great player but the achievement system forces you into the 1500 climb.

Just another rant about getting denied group after group without being given a shot to succeed.

Unsub incoming, back to games like CSGO where you can prove yourself a lot easier.

[salate]

I wont be the first, wont be the last.

MaKe YoUr OwN GrOuP.

I don't see anything bad when people want to see "actual" players who've seen shit and climbed up before.

You will be always sad when understand you are not that great, because that climbing is endless. You can try, defo, but it'll be hard as hell. I'll be certainly happy for you when u get that rating/rank you aim for.

[Lightforged]

This is why Guilds exist. Find like minded people and go raid or do Rated BGs.

[Nnyco]

you prove yourself by gettin the achivement, not by joinin groups youre not supposed to be in yet

if you really are a great player as you claim then that shouldnt be too hard for you

[HordeFanboy]

Wow & the wow community makes it extremely difficult for skilled players to be successful on their own.
Unfortunately, the community doesn't help the problem as you cannot get invited to any group without having the achievements and/or ilvl.

Now, getting the gear is the easy part.
Getting accepted by the "good" players to give you the chance, your one shot, your one opportunity is the hard part.

Take RBGs for example.
You could be a great player but the achievement system forces you into the 1500 climb.

Just another rant about getting denied group after group without being given a shot to succeed.

Unsub incoming, back to games like CSGO where you can prove yourself a lot easier.

You have 2 options.
Make your own group
quit

[Skulltaker]

Getting accepted by the "good" players to give you the chance, your one shot, your one opportunity is the hard part.

Offer them a helping of moms spaghetti to grease the wheels there, Rabbit.

[gushDH]

Yea, the answer is always make your own group. After all, how can you be skilled if you never got any achievement for rating?

[Lochton]

Wow & the wow community makes it extremely difficult for skilled players to be successful on their own.
Unfortunately, the community doesn't help the problem as you cannot get invited to any group without having the achievements and/or ilvl.

Now, getting the gear is the easy part.
Getting accepted by the "good" players to give you the chance, your one shot, your one opportunity is the hard part.

Take RBGs for example.
You could be a great player but the achievement system forces you into the 1500 climb.

Just another rant about getting denied group after group without being given a shot to succeed.

Unsub incoming, back to games like CSGO where you can prove yourself a lot easier.

Unsure, you quitting? We don't really approve of that here.

Though, a few ideas that I know works:
1.: Join a PvP community.
2.: Join a PvP Alliance.
3.: Join a Guild.
4.: Join a group of friends.
5.: Join casual/calm groups to climb.

[Azlo]

Wow & the wow community makes it extremely difficult for skilled players to be successful on their own.
Unfortunately, the community doesn't help the problem as you cannot get invited to any group without having the achievements and/or ilvl.

Now, getting the gear is the easy part.
Getting accepted by the "good" players to give you the chance, your one shot, your one opportunity is the hard part.

Take RBGs for example.
You could be a great player but the achievement system forces you into the 1500 climb.

Just another rant about getting denied group after group without being given a shot to succeed.

Unsub incoming, back to games like CSGO where you can prove yourself a lot easier.

Can you please explain how it's easier in CSGO to prove yourself?

My understanding of CSGO is that you basically grind match-making, friend people in MM, start with the lower end leagues on FACEIT or CEVO or whatever it is these days, and as you build that experience and resume, join/build better and better teams. Did you get an offer from a semi-pro team just because you told them you were GE even though you didn't have any matches on record?

[Enkrypt]

Wow & the wow community makes it extremely difficult for skilled players to be successful on their own.
Unfortunately, the community doesn't help the problem as you cannot get invited to any group without having the achievements and/or ilvl.

Now, getting the gear is the easy part.
Getting accepted by the "good" players to give you the chance, your one shot, your one opportunity is the hard part.

Take RBGs for example.
You could be a great player but the achievement system forces you into the 1500 climb.

Just another rant about getting denied group after group without being given a shot to succeed.

Unsub incoming, back to games like CSGO where you can prove yourself a lot easier.

Or you could get off your entitled ass, make a group, and be as good as you're claiming to be. Claiming you're a good player being victimized by a system is weaksauce, dude. You think those other groups got started magically? No. Someone started it.

If you can't be bothered to start your own group, I would definitely question your ability to master your class. One takes 10 seconds, the other takes much, much longer and you're not even willing to put the effort in to make your own group so I highly doubt you're willing to put the effort in to be a good [insert class/spec].

If someone whispers me, "Hey, take me on your 2k RBGs. I don't even have 1500 rating, but trust me, I'm good." They're instantly X'd off my list. If you don't even have the rating, what makes you think you're worthy to play with people who do?

[MechaCThun]

Both sides have valid points. No need to bash either side.

[Nikkaszal]

You "prove" yourself by doing the hard yards and working from the ground up and making your own groups like everyone else did, instead of expecting people to give you a handout and carry you.

[Aucald]

"I Quit" type threads are not permitted on these forums. Closing this.