Apathetic Players.

[Nnyco]

When will people stop posting this massive lie. Guilds haven't been relevant to WoW since Wotlk unless they are M raiding guilds.

quite the irony considerin you post the lie ;p

[Velshin]

quite the irony considerin you post the lie ;p

Yup my thought exactly!

[GreenJesus]

Yeh I got banned from my guild's discord for complaining about the game after posting asmongold's video today and explaining what he said, but everyone said they agreed with 90% of what I said. Most people just do their weekly 10, log in for raid, MAYBE do emissaries and that's it. check check check.. ok .. done with my chores.

[Nerovar]

I get that. Most of the time, people on my friends list play the game like it's some sort of check list of chores they have to do. It's quite rare that we group up to do something just for the sake of it and to have fun and when we do we're playing other games.

[Debased]

My team seems to be having fun, maybe you need a new team.

Maybe, I've only been around this group/ guild since August. I'm surprised they recruited me actually given my lack of experience in the last two expansions. We are 5/8M so not too shabby. Plenty of options on my realm guild wise, I wouldn't mind mixing guilds up if shadow priests are ever desirable again.

[Flutterguy]

When will people stop posting this massive lie. Guilds haven't been relevant to WoW since Wotlk unless they are M raiding guilds.

But I've been in the same guild since MoP. We raid regularly. We have two other sister guilds we run with as well when we want to push content.

[Teri]

Just join a guild and do stuff together with your friends.

When loads of content is done cross realm (even manual groups like Heroic Raid and M+), it greatly lowered the guild mentality of the game.

Guilds aren't cross realm and imo they should be in the future, because cross realm won't go away, it will also help out recruitment.

But to facilitate that (and guild banks and such), they'd likely need to make the entire economy region-wide. (big AH system revamp)

CRZ and War mode already blends many realms into the world.

Raid achievements are moving toward Top 100 faction firsts as well. So cross-realm Mythic could be a Guild feature.

"Once 100 guilds on both factions clear Mythic Uldir and fill the leaderboards, Mythic Uldir will be available cross-realm, worldwide!"

[Azerate]

When will people stop posting this massive lie. Guilds haven't been relevant to WoW since Wotlk unless they are M raiding guilds.

Then I guess my heroic level guild must just be a dream, because a post on a forum said so

[Segus1992]

Look up the word 'anecdotal'.

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You do not speak for every player, or nearly every player, or even a lot of players.

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Maybe your guild sucks and/or is irrelevant. Mine happens to be awesome and doing just fine. Oops?

Thanks for this anecdotal and defensive post that amounts to nothing.

OT: I agree somewhat, though it's been going on for years, and can largely be avoided by finding a fun guild. Rare as they may be these days, they definitely exist.

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Do you need a guild to do mythics? to pvp at a high lvl? to become gladiator? to do old raids? to do quests? to have someone to talk with? to have friends to play? To I don't know raid a capital city? The answer to all this is a huge massive NO.

Back to classic (The one you will finally get to experience next April): Did you need to have a guild in order to be allowed to even scratch the surface of the game? YES.

So from classic to 2018 guilds became IRRELEVANT except for a few circumstances. So answering someone who complains they can't find a group my reply is YOU DONT NEED A GUILD TO FIND A GROUP.

Come again and tell me where is the lie I am posting. Oh wait you was just in a rush to bash. Failed as usual didn't you

Aside from being extremely defensive and wrong (guilds aren't irrelevant just because they're less relevant than before) - what you said also has nothing to do with the OP. A guild these days is essentially a collection of friends, and finding a fun guild WILL help you avoid the uninterested masses droning along in WQs.

[Super Kami Dende]

I find most people that complain about lack of community/Socialness in WoW these days are just Anti-Social people that fail at making connections in game.

Literally every often played character I have is in a different guild atm and every guild I am in is highly social and full of people I enjoy playing the game with.

Maybe people need to just try to actually be social.

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When will people stop posting this massive lie. Guilds haven't been relevant to WoW since Wotlk unless they are M raiding guilds.

Lolwut. Raiding Guilds are the vast minority of Guilds in WoW. The Majority are Social or Casual.

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The OP asked a very specific thing regarding groups and you guys take the piss telling him "join a guild problem solved". Not quite really the case.

It quite literally is the case though. As I've found close-knit fun guilds on every single one of the 7 servers I play across.

[Doffen]

Your personal example doesn't reflect the norm. "Family" guilds are a nice and very exceptional thing. But for 14 years now we haven't seen "family subscriptions" or "family wow plans" or "recruit a relative" etc.

So yeah its a rare thing and yes you are an exceptional exception. Next time you come back bring some real evidence and not just the vague "I am in a server and in that server we re all relatives and play happily every day and there is love all around".

The OP asked a very specific thing regarding groups and you guys take the piss telling him "join a guild problem solved". Not quite really the case.

Your example is also personal. Maybe stop saying to people they are wrong when all you got is also personal opinions?

Next time you come back bring some real evidence and not just the vague "I am in a server and in that server we are all strangers and play miserably every day and there is hate all around."

Yes, you do not need a guild to play this game, but for very many players being in a guild is relevant. And joining a guild clearly can solve quite a few problems. Playing alone and wish you had someone to play with everyday? Join a guild. The op is saying he thinks so many seems apathic and they got no fun playing this game. Perhaps if he were in a guild with happy people, he could see that this is not always the case.

[Trumpcat]

I haven't really played since Pandaria. Yeah, I leveled through WoD and Legion but for whatever reason I quit shortly after the launch of each.

Here I am. Back for BFA and I'm "all in", oddly eager for another year(s) long WoW experience. But this isn't how I remember it. Nobody seems to be having fun, nobody really seems to care. Everyone just seems to be here because it's "what they do". At least among the "semi-competitive" circles (m raiders, high rating PvPers). It's almost depressing. Does anyone know what I mean?

Man, do a little research on your server, check WoW forums, see what guilds are recruiting. Check their website (if they have), talk to them, join, see how it is. Friendships, team spirit, camaraderie, all of that is there and contained in many guilds, but quite less so in the open world. Not because people are elitists, but because that's a good way to filter out jerks that do roam about, especially the public chats. No guarantee it will work at the first try, but it might as well. You can see a few people in this thread speaking well of their guilds, not because they are pro raiders, but because of having a good time together.

Do you need a guild to do mythics? to pvp at a high lvl? to become gladiator? to do old raids? to do quests? to have someone to talk with? to have friends to play? To I don't know raid a capital city? The answer to all this is a huge massive NO.

Back to classic (The one you will finally get to experience next April): Did you need to have a guild in order to be allowed to even scratch the surface of the game? YES.

So from classic to 2018 guilds became IRRELEVANT except for a few circumstances. So answering someone who complains they can't find a group my reply is YOU DONT NEED A GUILD TO FIND A GROUP.

Come again and tell me where is the lie I am posting. Oh wait you was just in a rush to bash. Failed as usual didn't you

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I do them with btag friends my guild is pvpers. So what does your point prove that my point doesnt? I replied to someone who said "find a guild if you can't find a group". Proved 100 times now that you DON'T need a guild to find a group. Are you really serious when you try to say the opposite or you just didn't understand what the topic is here?

What's with your vehement hate on guilds in this thread?

Just clinging to technicalities? Yes, guilds are not required to find a group today and they weren't in vanilla because we were forming groups in chat.

So let's talk quality. What are the chances the OP will find the sort of company they seek in a group through LFG? Yes, he can join a group, yes he doesn't need a guild for that, but what he talks about is attitude and feeling of apathy. Do your all encompassing knowledge indicate the random pug where chances are people say "hi" at most and who will probably never meet again will help OP get the type of social experience he is looking for? Or chat with others, where? In trade chat?

Now if instead of following your iron-clad logic he finds a guild that puts effort to gather together people with similar interests and fitting attitude, where they form groups after work, banter in guild chat, raid, fool around and.. you know, do guild things, chances are he might enjoy his time. So the recommendations to seek out a guild he likes are totally valid.

[rwolfe546]

i find it fun when im playing with friends. Running around by yourself is not fun

[Velshin]

Your personal example doesn't reflect the norm. "Family" guilds are a nice and very exceptional thing. But for 14 years now we haven't seen "family subscriptions" or "family wow plans" or "recruit a relative" etc.

So yeah its a rare thing and yes you are an exceptional exception. Next time you come back bring some real evidence and not just the vague "I am in a server and in that server we re all relatives and play happily every day and there is love all around".

The OP asked a very specific thing regarding groups and you guys take the piss telling him "join a guild problem solved". Not quite really the case.

Real evidence? I just told you over at least 10 guilds playing together and they know each others as friends and family (not my family or real life friends but I do know for the fact that they are close because I do know about that).

So yes it is more than enough when it is over 10 guilds in my server and each guild has over 50 players playing together as friends and family. Sorry if you are in a bad server or anything like that. I am in Kazzak EU if you don't believe me go there and check it out. It is a pretty good social server where a lot of guilds are actually real life friends and family how do I know? well I have been in kazzak for the entire of my WoW career so I do know my stuff when it comes to that server.

[Flarelaine]

I haven't really played since Pandaria. Yeah, I leveled through WoD and Legion but for whatever reason I quit shortly after the launch of each.

Here I am. Back for BFA and I'm "all in", oddly eager for another year(s) long WoW experience. But this isn't how I remember it. Nobody seems to be having fun, nobody really seems to care. Everyone just seems to be here because it's "what they do". At least among the "semi-competitive" circles (m raiders, high rating PvPers). It's almost depressing. Does anyone know what I mean?

No, I don't really know. But then, when I'm out in the world, I don't stop other players to ask whether they are having fun. How do you claim to know they aren't? What is your sample size? What is your methodology for projecting from said sample size to "nobody" and "everyone"?

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I find most people that complain about lack of community/Socialness in WoW these days are just Anti-Social people that fail at making connections in game.

Literally every often played character I have is in a different guild atm and every guild I am in is highly social and full of people I enjoy playing the game with.

Maybe people need to just try to actually be social.

Quoting for visibility. And because I agree.

[Luxeley]

That pretty much describes the reality of WOW today.

[Powerogue]

I'm enjoying leveling my new mag'har shaman and getting rep on my two mains well enough, but I am getting a bit burned on raiding. I think it's mainly because I raided all of Legion so it kind of went back into a routine instead of an exciting new thing. For people who have raided since vanilla every expansion, I imagine that sensation is stronger.

We have those "communities" now. If I can get a more active guild and/or a talkative community I feel like that'd help.

[Nnyco]

Do you need a guild to do mythics? to pvp at a high lvl? to become gladiator? to do old raids? to do quests? to have someone to talk with? to have friends to play? To I don't know raid a capital city? The answer to all this is a huge massive NO.

Back to classic (The one you will finally get to experience next April): Did you need to have a guild in order to be allowed to even scratch the surface of the game? YES.

So from classic to 2018 guilds became IRRELEVANT except for a few circumstances. So answering someone who complains they can't find a group my reply is YOU DONT NEED A GUILD TO FIND A GROUP.

Come again and tell me where is the lie I am posting.
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I do them with btag friends my guild is pvpers. So what does your point prove that my point doesnt? I replied to someone who said "find a guild if you can't find a group". Proved 100 times now that you DON'T need a guild to find a group.

How do you even jump from "guilds are not releveant" to "guilds are needed"? Quality shitpost thoughti give you that.

[Ghazan Julio]

Asmongold talked about it. The Devs don't give a shit. We don't even need mods on here. You're 100% correct. We don't care anymore because they do not listen to the playerbase at all.

[kamuimac]

The last couple of expacs have had quite a lot of meaningless, daily busywork that you need to do to get your weekly points/chests/random lottery chances/whatever.
Raids and other content is pushed much earlier than in previous expacs, so you kind have to stay on the curve if you want to stay "relevant" - but even that doesn't really matter because they'll add catchup grinds if you fall behind. None of it really matters. You gotta grind it out, no matter how you do it. Busy bees.

Most of that content is solo or puggable, so people just tend to grind it out on their own schedule. Maybe that's what you're noticing

that statement is not true for BfA so far

they openly said they know they pushed raids to fast in BfA , that nighthold landed way to fast .

i highly doubt we will see 2nd raid this expansion before january . yes we will get new content in 8.1 but i doubt raids will land before 8.1.5