And he's talking about release, too. The idea that over half a million people will be sitting around watching someone melee some wolves/boars for an hour or so is pretty ridiculous. However...
That's very disingenous. A lot of people watch streamers just to see the streamer or keep it in the background, not watch the actual game. There will absolutely be a ton of streamers in Classic on day 1 to capitalize on the perceived hype, and if you mix all of their fans there might be that many viewers. Of course, none of them will be there to actually watch a character melee a boar for 15 seconds but rather to watch the antics of a manchild and spam emotes on chat.
You can probably win that bet but it doesn't support at all your original claim.
"I have the most loyal fanboys. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand by Thoradin's Wall and massacre my own people and I wouldn't lose any fanboys. It's like incredible." - Sylvanas Windrunner
"If you kill your enemies, they win." - Anduin Wrynn
Millennials are the core of the WoW player base and have been since vanilla. If you think they're not interested in playing Classic then you're just proving my point that it won't be particularly popular.
As for games getting better over time, of course they do. Improvements in AI, character creation, graphics, story integration, etc. have come a long way since 2004. Does every game that has been released since then translate those improvements to compelling game play? Certainly not. However, WoW wasn't a perfect game even when it was originally released (evidenced by much of the discussion in this very thread).
It is not a metric to go by because it does not represent what you are trying to imply, that Classic will "overtake" current WoW. You said yourself Blizzard doesn't release those numbers and stream channels that people watch for the streamer, not the content, are not a metric for Blizzard's numbers.
"I have the most loyal fanboys. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand by Thoradin's Wall and massacre my own people and I wouldn't lose any fanboys. It's like incredible." - Sylvanas Windrunner
"If you kill your enemies, they win." - Anduin Wrynn
You must have missed a part of my post, i said specifically in comparison to BFA launch, which peaked at around 600k viewers. If it indeed does like i suspect, that tells us more people were interested in WoW classic launch than they were in BFA on twitch. Twitch surely isnt going to grow massively from then to classic release, its for the most part the same people watching.
Maybe you shouldn't have started the Classic vs retail argument in the 4th post of the thread then. And as suspected, you misread "that poster" response (expected when you're looking at everything through rose-tinted glasses).
To get back on track, there will probably be plenty of tanks but most will be awful as they try to work their way through clunky mechanics and poorly tuned classes/specs.
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So now you are saying you were talking exclusively about how many viewers Classic launch will have in comparison to BfA launch? Because I was under the impression you were speaking of popularity based on players:
Which, again, viewers are based on other things, not players in the game. Streamers go whatever is the latest fad, and Classic is not just a Blizzard release but also a controversial one and one that is not only relevant to current players but also old time players and on top of that also haters of the game. It would absolutely not be a shock if there is a lot more streamers generating views for it from all those subsets of the community, but there is no indication that translates to popularity of actual players.
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"I have the most loyal fanboys. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand by Thoradin's Wall and massacre my own people and I wouldn't lose any fanboys. It's like incredible." - Sylvanas Windrunner
"If you kill your enemies, they win." - Anduin Wrynn
no there will be an abundance of warriors but most of them will hate tanking
Again, show me a better metric. Blizzard hasnt released those numbers for years, once classic comes out people are going to try and find some sort of metric where we can gauge how popular classic is.
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Derail threads lol? How many players classic has will directly impact how easy or hard it is to find a tank.
Again, you fail on the reading comprehension part. We were talking specifically about your prediction of Classic vs retail. And no, it has less to do with the number of players and more to do with the composition of those players. You could have 20 million people playing Classic and if only 1 in 30 want to tank then you're going to have trouble finding tanks. Or you could have 100,000 players and as long as roughly 1 in 5 want to tank you'll probably be fine.
I'm not the one making the claim, I've no need to show anything. I'm only explaining you are using the word wrong. Twitch is not "the best metric we have", it is literally not a metric at all as it is completely unrelated to finding out active players.
The only way we will know if Classic active players surpasses BfA at any one point is to do what has been done in some private servers, set up a bot to constantly /who every level in every server and keep track of the number of players it returns. But with /who queries being capped at 50 in Classic it's a fool's errand. There is no way to know.
And I guess to be on topic:
Like majority has said already one of the most popular classes in Classic is Warriors, who only need to have a one hander and shield to be a tank in dungeons while leveling. Majority of them will probably not make it to cap. Only advice I can think to give is if you want to be a raid tank then start working towards it from the moment you create your character. Meet people, find a guild, be dependable, build your reputation, establish yourself as a tank in the minds of the leader and officers from the get-go.
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"I have the most loyal fanboys. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand by Thoradin's Wall and massacre my own people and I wouldn't lose any fanboys. It's like incredible." - Sylvanas Windrunner
"If you kill your enemies, they win." - Anduin Wrynn
With people knowing that Warr is the only choice for tank etc. I think there will not be THAT of an issue as it was in the past, but still as always there will be some shortage.