[Chinese Leak][Spoilers]I mean destroy the supplies,not the vulpera!

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By scare they mean kill them!!

Tbh if your looking at our characters realistically we're just unhinged murder hobos and scare is a loose command.... It's all about how you interpret the orders!

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so it's another case of things happening in game not really lining up with what's said in quest text.

at least it does give a reason for attacking them in the first place.

More or less. It'll be another Camp Taurajo, Allaince command say one thing and the troops do another. But yeah now the attack is justified which for BFA lore is remarkable :P

[yetgdhfgh]

Tbh if your looking at our characters realistically we're just unhinged murder hobos and scare is a loose command.... It's all about how you interpret the orders!

Hey i have no problem with that but just like in GTA i can murder prostitutes in game but its not sanctioned by the state in the game to do it.

The Alliance killing Vulpera must be sanctioned by the upper echelon otherwise its either pointless or somone told you to do it which is the upper chain of command in the Alliance.

The Alliance couldve sent emissary and bags of gold and that wouldve swayed alot of Vulpera but instead they chose Genocide cause they partnered with the Horde first!

[Deleted]

Hey i have no problem with that but just like in GTA i can murder prostitutes in game but its not sanctioned by the state in the game to do it.

The Alliance killing Vulpera must be sanctioned by the upper echelon otherwise its either pointless or somone told you to do it which is the upper chain of command in the Alliance.

The Alliance couldve sent emissary and bags of gold and that wouldve swayed alot of Vulpera but instead they chose Genocide cause they partnered with the Horde first!

Not necessarily. If the order is to 'stop' them the local commander has a huge amout of wiggle room with those orders. Also we haven't seen how pure boi will react to this.

[Super Dickmann]

Does that mean they cut the Purge Squad? That's an actual tragedy, they were the best thing to happen thus far.

Not that I'm surprised. The vulpera burners will be going to the same place as Jaina and Genn's spines now that they've met with Golden.

[yetgdhfgh]

Not necessarily. If the order is to 'stop' them the local commander has a huge amout of wiggle room with those orders. Also we haven't seen how pure boi will react to this.

Thing is the Vulpera hasnt pledge there fealty to the Horde yet

The Vulpera has not sworn any allegiance to anyone except you the player and that is why they are helping because of the player not because they are Horde.

Then along comes the Alliance and they are butchering a bunch of desert scavengers even though they have not sworn allegiance to the Horde.

[Deleted]

Wasn't even Alliance troops in Taurajo, it was Wildhammer mercenaries.

Working for the Allaince. Broadly like camp taurajo not exactly the same

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Thing is the Vulpera hasnt pledge there fealty to the Horde yet

The Vulpera has not sworn any allegiance to anyone except you the player and that is why they are helping because of the player not because they are Horde.

Then along comes the Alliance and they are butchering a bunch of desert scavengers even though they have not sworn allegiance to the Horde.

Not defending their actions just saying

[Trassk]

Guess I should be thankful really, this just shows how even in a war based story, blizzard simply won't 'go there' with the alliance, won't show the grey area of them. While the horde continues to have variety in terms of morals, the alliance continues to be the sugar dipped gumdrop faction.

[Gurmech]

Guess I should be thankful really, this just shows how even in a war based story, blizzard simply won't 'go there' with the alliance, won't show the grey area of them. While the horde continues to have variety in terms of morals, the alliance continues to be the sugar dipped gumdrop faction.

The real reason is that the writing team has written themselves into a corner with the Alliance, and that the player base does not really understand nuance. It makes no sense for the Alliance to randomly torch desert furries, because as far as we know, Anduin has the Alliance military under his iron fist and "High King" has become just the Alliance version of "Warchief" even if they are nothing alike in the established lore.

The people whining in this thread don't do so because they are concerned with bad writing, it would be bad writing for the Alliance to randomly attack the Vulpera, they do so because their headcanon of the Alliance as "hypocritical" has no real basis in reality. I wish there was someone like Garithos in charge of the Alliance, I really do, but Blizzard went full retard around Cata, and there is no sign of it changing course(Unless this whole Allied Races business is just an excuse to flood the Alliance with morally gray fanatics, maybe there will be a coup at the end of BFA).

[Zulkhan]

This isn't high morals this was a completely stupid and a completely out of character, mustache twirling villain attack on some furries who are tangentially aligned with the Horde and harm noone.

It is only barely more hilarious than "scaring vulpera away" as if they were foxes and not, well, fox people.

Why the fuck its always Void Elf players that try to play the superiority card.

It must the conviction of being special and feeling like the Horde didn't value their uniqueness enough.

[Combatbutler]

Well, they've already made two different versions of Rastakhan's death, with Greymane's level of dickery scaling to your faction. Maybe that's just Blizzard's newest storytelling gimmick. The other side are genocidal maniacs, but only when you aren't playing them.

This seems to be happening and it is just cheap, especially if you play both sides.

[Magnagarde]

Looks like they're clearly writing these as heavily perspective-based events with no room for making conclusions of your own, but from the standpoint of NPCs affected.

Whoever though of this? It's pretty bad when they have to rely on making everyone have their own self-elevating narrative. Players should be free to make their mind up about events without having a narrative forced onto them and one that enforces factual dichotomy too.

[vitor210]

Can anyone explain what is in OP's link? The link doesn't open here, takes too long to open and just stays like that ad eternum

[Neverafter]

I think the theory that N'Zoth is driving the entire population of Azeroth into seeings false things has some plausibility.

The entire of the pre-expansion quest chain was the Horde doing one thing and the Alliance seeing it in another way/showing up and something worse has happened.

Horde for example only kill guards, Alliance show up and everything is burnt to the ground in Ashenvale.

Sounds like something similar could be happening here.

N'Zoth is making the Horde seeing Alliance actions as worse than they were and making Alliance see Horde actions are worse than they were.

Have I lost my mind or wasn't the Ashenvale thing explained as one of the Night Elf generals wanting to stoke the fire, so they dressed guards as civilians and burned their own village??

[Aucald]

Can anyone explain what is in OP's link? The link doesn't open here, takes too long to open and just stays like that ad eternum

It is essentially just this image:



On a forum where they are discussing what it implies and/or means.

[Beerbill Society]

Please Blizzard


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Can anyone explain what is in OP's link? The link doesn't open here, takes too long to open and just stays like that ad eternum

It's a quest where the Dreanei of the purge squad ask you nicely to use a totem to burn only the Vulpera supplies because they are giving it to the Horde. She says explicitly that it should only be used on the supplies because we don't wanna hurt the friends of our enemies.

[rowaasr13]

Its because the Alliance can never do no wrong while us Horde have 2 choices be either flat out evil (i have no problem with that infact i want that) or just be noble savages who lost the way.

Alliance did many things wrong. Like not disbanding Horde several times it could.

[sillag]

Have I lost my mind or wasn't the Ashenvale thing explained as one of the Night Elf generals wanting to stoke the fire, so they dressed guards as civilians and burned their own village??

it was explained as dressing the dead sentinels as civilians and planting them in astranaar to trick the horde into thinking they had attacked astranaar already so they would leave it alone. it wasn't to "stoke the fire", which would be retarded. the poorly armed and trained town guards were fighting the entire horde army. the fires were as stoked as they could possibly be already.

this is by no small margin the stupidest thing ever written in wow. it came about because they didn't expect horde players to not be happy about the horde executing all of the astranaar civilians, so they decided to change the story and needed to quickly create an explanation as to why astranaar would be full of dead civilians that the horde hadn't killed, but looked like the horde had killed them.

when you're on a deadline and blizzard keeps telling you to change the story to fit whatever absolute nonsense they are coming up with in a panic in response to beta feedback, this is the best you can come up with apparently. it doesn't quite explain why the corpses assumed the identities of the actual astranaar npcs, and why those npcs never showed up elsewhere since the horde "definitely didn't kill the civilians". but that's because blizzard only really wanted to fix the optics of that one particular moment where some of the horde players were upset that they were participating in a genocide. then they surprised them at the end by revealing that they had participated in a genocide.


the war of thorns is just poorly written, incoherent garbage, even moreso than the faction war usually is. at some point we will all have to agree to just ignore it as the heap of rushed nonsense that it is, and assume everyone involved was insane and later died so there is no way of knowing what actually took place

[masterjc]

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5924644277

this makes much better sense
Vulpera arenot members or allies of the horde
vulpera are befriended by some of the horde
vulpera do not interact alliance
vulpera are hired by horde
alliance try interrupt vulpera caravans
vulpera get angry at alliance for destroying their caravans
vulpera attack back alliance, who find out that these small guys have big claws
alliance attacks back, more violence
vulpera are pushed to become horde members


something similar makes much more sense, than simply alliance burning down vulpera or vulpera becoming horde without a reason

[Maxilian]

I'm ok with this, this is a sound explanation and make everything fall in place.

[Fahrenheit]

I wonder if Alliance will get a choice similar to how Horde losers get a choice with Saurfang/Sylvanas?

Fry fox folk?
or
Don't fry fox folk?