Alliance raising dead Zandalari wildlife with the Void

[Kralljin]

So, what's Anduins take on that?

This is the same as with Teldrassil, people do something evil, people within the same faction that are opposed to that move don't even react.

Also seems rather ironic that during EU Warfront, Rokhan and Turalyon have this little Shadow vs. Light exchange (Because being a Shadow Hunter suddenly means being super good with shadow magic).

[Tyrion Moonblade]

Did you just literally use a clickbait, outright lie thread title like you were being paid for the clicks on this thread?

Truly pathetic.

[Jawless Jones]

So let me get this straight, the VOID which is characterised as CONSUMING EVERYTHING UNTIL NOTHING IS LEFT can be used to reanimate corpses.

Is there anything these days which can't be used to reanimate the dead?

[Houle]

Lol. Im a horde player and even im stunned by the stupidity. Raising a dinosaur skeleton is now seemingly as bad as raising aware people, and then turning them to fight their former allies n friends. I didnt think it was this bad, but damn the reaching of some horde players is at a new lvl lmao.
The horde are the "bad guys" again in this war, get over it, thats just how Blizz wrote the story (intentionally or not)
Coming from a horde player

[Makabreska]

Another Horde player desperate attempt to equalize Sylvi atrocities with Alliance doings.

[Deleted]

So let me get this straight, the VOID which is characterised as CONSUMING EVERYTHING UNTIL NOTHING IS LEFT can be used to reanimate corpses.

Is there anything these days which can't be used to reanimate the dead?

Prety sure the rogues can do it with enough combo points.

[DesoPL]

Not any more than Sylvanus is being an old god puppet. Once again, Alliance actually acts against Horde, the Horde players: "That character is EVIL and needs to be put down!!!"

Isin't actually old gods can't control undeads?

[MechaCThun]

I hope the spider empire won't declare war on me after stepping on a spider two days ago.

Well at least you didn't raise the entire kingdom into unwilling service to you.

WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD THERE BE BETWEEN YOU AND THE LICH KING?

[Gurluas]

As long as they add a choice for me to refuse to help him, it's all fine.
My animal-loving hunter would never agree with this.

[Enosh]

now that is some clickbait, you have a bright future at buzzfeed

[Kieldon]

Well at least you didn't raise the entire kingdom into unwilling service to you.

WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD THERE BE BETWEEN YOU AND THE LICH KING?

Isn't it obvious? I serve the humanoids.

[KrakHed]

As long as they add a choice for me to refuse to help him, it's all fine.
My animal-loving hunter would never agree with this.

Did someone already post how he's also corrupting baby raptors via their eggs?

[Super Dickmann]

Did someone already post how he's also corrupting baby raptors via their eggs?

Hi, I did. Kind of a side note, but it may save this topic from devolving into a Sylvanas circlejerk. I generally like your takes on the various WoW plots. What do you make about the recent Void-Light equivocation of which Umbric is a part? Especially since they actually aren't toning down either the effects of the void or how it works, just the way it's treated.

[Pucek]

Isin't actually old gods can't control undeads?

Pretty sure they haven't actually stated that, just indicated it. Even if, Blizz doesn't seem to care about consistency these days (like Forsaken raising Night Elves when it was stated in Cata that they can't raise non-humans, which was partialy-retconned in SoO).

[omeomorfismo]

Pretty sure they haven't actually stated that, just indicated it. Even if, Blizz doesn't seem to care about consistency these days (like Forsaken raising Night Elves when it was stated in Cata that they can't raise non-humans, which was partialy-retconned in SoO).

retconned? where is it stated that forsaken raised elf in cata?

[Easo]

While this is pretty dissapointing (Blizzard, stop your bullshit, please), you, OP, are grasping at straws. The clickbait tittle is especially funny.

[Sunlonghorn]

This seems a bit odd no?

I thought the Void hates Undeath, (we saw the whispers freak out on Alleria in the comic when meeting Sylvannas) so I'm a bit surprised they can use void magic to reanimate corpses. Apart from that, wouldn't alliance leaders like Anduin and Turalyon be against this? Even Malfurion I suppose since it's against nature. Seems kind of random.

Oh and.. Zandalari having weak stomachs? They worship a death god and are surrounded by spirits and voodoo

[Scottyjscizzle]

Sorry, I meant Zandalari as in native to Zandalar.

This is only the latest in a series of Alliance war crimes in 8.1, alongside Alliance Purge Squads genociding innocent neutral Vulpera.

Good, wipe the Horde from the face of Azeroth. They have proven themselves untrustworthy monsters time and time again. We should have culled them when we took Orgrimmar.

[Pucek]

retconned? where is it stated that forsaken raised elf in cata?

In Cata quests say they can't raise non-humans, that's it. Then in SoO, Sylvanus makes remarks about raising dead Blood Elves and now (in BFA) we have her raising Night Elves. You can call it "increase in power" or whatever but it's dumb because it indicates that her power level increases just with time (she was a great ranger, not a fucking necromancer) and reaches Lich King levels just like that.

[KrakHed]

Hi, I did. Kind of a side note, but it may save this topic from devolving into a Sylvanas circlejerk. I generally like your takes on the various WoW plots. What do you make about the recent Void-Light equivocation of which Umbric is a part? Especially since they actually aren't toning down either the effects of the void or how it works, just the way it's treated.

What aspects exactly? I think it's clear enough that while Light and Void exist in a balance, the Void's nature is inherently more volatile and dangerous because of the behaviors it has an affinity with. And so long as the underpinnings of the lore are still mostly there, the Void is wielded through that personal affinity itself.

Which is to say, I'd expect the Void corrupted to be primarily motivated by personal desires and willing to do anything to achieve them, with few or no moral qualms. And from what I've seen of Umbric, he's kind of a bastard.

He proclaims sympathy for the plight of the working Goblin whilst merrily participating in their slaughter. He speaks of learning to master the Void to help protect Silvermoon, but his intentions of redemption and reuniting their people make it seem like he prioritizes his individual desires for the nation regardless of what his former people actually think. He talks about how he earnestly believes in the ideals of the Alliance and that's where they belong, only after they were his only option for sanctuary. It's not like he ever left to sign up with the Silver Covenant. He's reckless, amoral, and quite frankly self-absorbed. If Alleria hadn't swooped in last second, he'd have been headed for precisely the same fate that Rommath had predicted for him. His exile was 100% justified, just going by how we see him do things.

And most of all, his moral concerns reek of hypocrisy. He shows nothing but contempt for Zandalari culture and I'm pretty sure he calls them savages, and is now desecrating what they hold sacred, but he gets offended on their behalf. I have no reason to believe he gives a damn about Goblin lives, but he likewise gets offended on their behalf. His Void research was supposedly for Silvermoon, but he continues even after being warned that it'd end in disaster until it ends in disaster. So protecting Silvermoon doesn't feel like it was ever truly the reason. Like most Void users, he was probably just drawn in to satiate his curiosity. Those moral concerns don't help any of the people he's morally concerned about. It's just empty vanity.

So, he's exactly what I'd expect, really. Is he evil? If not kept on the leash, I could see him diving off that cliff pretty quick.