Anduin is a traitor. Discuss.

[KrakHed]

I looked at a recent interview, that had some audio recording issues so the transcript is damaged, but see what it says here.

[Question partially inaudible - re: story planning, player reactions and choice]

The big picture arc is definitely laid out well in advance (months/years)
[Re: Tides of Vengeance cinematic] “…Horde players will have a questline where they are tracking down what became of Saurfang, and Alliance players will learn his mysterious escape from -- one of the Horde heroes right in their midst. And try to understand how that happened, how does...the Horde escape from under the nose of the Alliance…”

https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...con_interview/

Even with the holes, it reads clear as day. Anduin is keeping his actions a secret, even from the Alliance. The Alliance will even try investigating how it was possible, if I'm looking at this right.

[Schattenlied]

Don't see how this makes him a traitor... He's not broken any laws, done anything illegal, immoral, or that goes against what the Alliance stands for.

People need to stop using the word traitor wrong.

[Zora-Prime]

Don't need to worry about that.

The alliance is boring and will never have any type of internal drama/conflict.
That's how they like their stories told.

[Sunderella]

the boy king can do no wrong. even if releasing saurfang secretly is considered treason, everybody will applaud him and proceed to not giving two fucks about it. That is ofc if someone ever discovers it.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Ya that’s not how it works he’s in charge of his own kingdom what he does in said kingdom is his choice. If he was say freeing saurfang from an iron forge jail without telling the dwarfs sure but opening his own door doesn’t make him a traitor.

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Don't need to worry about that.

The alliance is boring and will never have any type of internal drama/conflict.
That's how they like their stories told.

You are aware this happens in the same patch where the night elfs have drama because they feel the alliance isn’t doing enough to retake darkshore right?

[Dagoth Ur]

Don't be too harsh on him, he's just learning. He still has farmers to deplete too. We'll have our good king eventually.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

the boy king can do no wrong. even if releasing saurfang secretly is considered treason, everybody will applaud him and proceed to not giving two fucks about it. That is ofc if someone ever discovers it.

Treason to who? He’s the king.

[Aucald]

I don't think this could make Anduin a traitor, per se; he's both the High King of the Alliance and the king of Stormwind - he's got full discretionary power to release a prisoner of war if he wishes to. He's still going to have some 'splainin to do to some likely angry generals and other leaders, no doubt; but it's not treason or a betrayal of the Alliance either.

[Hitei]

Treason to who? He’s the king.

This. You guys act like he isn't well within his rights to pardon someone.

[Irian]

Can we stop with this stupid "x character is a traitor" crap already.

[Zandalariprelate]

I looked at a recent interview, that had some audio recording issues so the transcript is damaged, but see what it says here.

https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...con_interview/

Even with the holes, it reads clear as day. Anduin is keeping his actions a secret, even from the Alliance. The Alliance will even try investigating how it was possible, if I'm looking at this right.

My bet Taelia will be made the queen of Stormwind after a soft overthrow(Genn, Tyrande, the gnomes and probably Jaina after the derek incident will participate) so they can unleash all their fury against the horde because after 8.1 attack, Taelia will hate more the horde and since Cyrus is a veteran of the 2 war, she wouldn't hesitate in attack without mercy any city/camp of the horde and that will make saurfang rebellion gain more followers in orden to get some favorable deal with the alliance or at least they will have more faith in Saurfang in outsmarting the alliance

[Zora-Prime]

Ya that’s not how it works he’s in charge of his own kingdom what he does in said kingdom is his choice. If he was say freeing saurfang from an iron forge jail without telling the dwarfs sure but opening his own door doesn’t make him a traitor.

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You are aware this happens in the same patch where the night elfs have drama because they feel the alliance isn’t doing enough to retake darkshore right?

Which leads to nothing, as it always has.

[Dudas]

"The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you."

Traitors are for the Horde. Corrupted are for the Alliance.

[KrakHed]

Don't see how this makes him a traitor... He's not broken any laws, done anything illegal, immoral, or that goes against what the Alliance stands for.

He released an enemy commander who waged an unprovoked war against the Night Elves that led to the burning of an island-sized tree filled with civilians. Tyrande blames Saurfang for this.

Not only that, but Anduin has been withholding troops from the Kalimdor front. He refuses to press the advantage when he has the opportunity. He's supposedly weeks away from winning, but he clearly doesn't want to win. Due to his stalling tactics, his advantage will doubtless be lost. As well as countless Alliance lives.

How is that not treason? And for what? To keep his hands clean? So his morally sensitive bones don't hurt?

Anduin's first two lies are clear. "Nothing, not even a King, is more important than the Alliance." Anduin's bleeding heart is more important than the Alliance. He clearly never even consulted Tyrande. Clearly the King is all that matters.

The second lie? "I can't beat her.". The boy refuses to beat Sylvanas, because he's worried too much about the Horde and the blood that would be on his hands.

[Dethxx]

agreed the boy king must be sacrificed to the lich queen AND TRUE LEADER OF THE HORDE HAIL SYLVANAS!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Which leads to nothing, as it always has.

Actually it leads to the night elfs seeking out the power of Elune and fighting on there own. Just because you don’t like the outcome doesn’t mean this stuff doesn’t happen.

[KrakHed]

I don't think this could make Anduin a traitor, per se; he's both the High King of the Alliance and the king of Stormwind - he's got full discretionary power to release a prisoner of war if he wishes to. He's still going to have some 'splainin to do to some likely angry generals and other leaders, no doubt; but it's not treason or a betrayal of the Alliance either.

He is High King, but the High King is not more important than the Alliance. He is supposed to represent their will, not they his. He's not the Warchief to whom everyone is unconditionally obligated.

The plan he's enacted has far-reaching consequences. If he throws away Alliance advantages for it, it is very much a betrayal of their trust in him to represent and act upon the needs and desires of the Alliance as a whole.

Tyrande is right to be angry at him. He clearly doesn't give a damn about her opinion.

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

Two jailbreaks in two months doesn't look good, at least the city didn't catch on fire this time.

[kataeus]

I don't think this could make Anduin a traitor, per se; he's both the High King of the Alliance and the king of Stormwind - he's got full discretionary power to release a prisoner of war if he wishes to. He's still going to have some 'splainin to do to some likely angry generals and other leaders, no doubt; but it's not treason or a betrayal of the Alliance either.

Pretty much this. Barring some earth shattering evidence, there is nothing to support that Anduin is a traitor to the Alliance. I imagine the Night Elves are going to be pissed with the decision, but it seems like in the next patch they're busy executing their own campaign in Kalimdor to regain lost territory. I think his strategy is good from a war perspective. The obvious downside is you forfeit a valuable asset and risk Saurfang weakening your forces, but on the upside, the internal struggle weakens the horde and sylvanas' position and helps further Anduin's persona as one of the principal peacekeepers of the series. All in all - Acceptable losses, low risk, potential for high reward.

[KrakHed]

Pretty much this. Barring some earth shattering evidence, there is nothing to support that Anduin is a traitor to the Alliance. I imagine the Night Elves are going to be pissed with the decision, but it seems like in the next patch they're busy executing their own campaign in Kalimdor to regain lost territory. I think his strategy is good from a war perspective. The obvious downside is you forfeit a valuable asset and risk Saurfang weakening your forces, but on the upside, the internal struggle weakens the horde and sylvanas' position and helps further Anduin's persona as one of the principal peacekeepers of the series. All in all - Acceptable losses, low risk, potential for high reward.

Anduin's military is already winning. Their victory is projected to occur in weeks.

For Saurfang to pay off, this internal struggle must have actually started within those weeks. Or Anduin will have to wait. And the longer he waits, the more the Horde recovers. That's not an acceptable loss.