Why is anime not more intensely monitored by law enforcement?

[Musta]

I played resident evil so i MUST have a shotgun stored to headshot people that walk slow

[Usagi Senshi]

OP should go watch Boku no Pico, Goblin Slayer, Wordsworth, Bible Black, Cross Ange, Azumanga Daioh (shudder), Beserk, Claymore, Mitsudomoe, etc etc

[Video Games]

higher moral standard that the US prides itself on.

Hehehehehe

[Miyagie]

Having regular school shootings because cant take away my automatic laser sight rifle.

"WhY dOeS the US goVerNment doesnt MoNItor AniMe?"

Never saw a better use of the mocking meme.

[Jtbrig7390]

If we're legally importing and trading media from other countries, they should be held to the higher moral standard that the US prides itself on. It's why censorship exists.

Freedom of Speech/Freedom of Expression......

You do realize what that means right? It means the Government can not censor you. Individual company's are a different story. Don't want to see anime tits don't look at them.

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Anime is for basement dwellers and the police have no power in the realm of basements.

It's like that prostitute city in the movie Sin City. They make their own rules for their territory and agree not to travel outside and cause trouble for real children or gross out the public, and in turn, the police stay out of their basements and leave them to their business.

Not even going to lie, As insulting as that is that was a great analogy.

[dwarfeckiy]

How can you draw a line anywhere, when a 6-ages old character looks like a 6-years old? (tis shinobu im talking bout here) Rather just leave this mess as it is, cause any action will just multiply any issues that are meant to be addressed.

[Easo]

This is more or less the same, eee, argument that is used against video games. Draw a line, OP, or just stop...

[Darktbs]

1- Its fictional, not real.Simple as that.

2-Its just like the Whole "Video games cause real world violence" discussion from years ago.Just because i play the Horde side doesn't mean i will become a genocidal maniac, nor will i become a pedophile by watching anime with Lolis or Shotas, it can happen, but those would be the extreme cases and not the norm and most likely the person already had psicological problems before.

3-You do realize that, if you start limiting fiction because of X or Y thing is imoral, when do we draw the line to what is ok to write?You stop anime from putting Lolis and Shotas into their stories because its disgusting, but then why should War games, movies and books be allowed?Afterall, war is a terrible thing.Or fighting?Super heroes, shounen animes or sci-fi movies, abusive relationships or relationships in general, anything death related.

Where you do we draw the line to what is acceptable or not?

[SirKickBan]

I know it's a diverse medium and not all of it is obscene, but reading into the history Otaku culture and the various aspects surrounding the medium known as anime, I am honestly shocked it is not monitored more carefully as the US is at least concerned. In fact, I feel anime is what really pushes the line for what is obviously criminal and illegal in real life being given a slap on the wrist merely for being fictional and gives sick fucks another outlet with little chance of facing justice.

What's worse is how the people that watch anime not only barely mind, but actively embrace the lolicon phenomenon and worse like those underage hugging pillows and dating sims. They don't even care (in fact, they find it funny), and neither does the US law enforcement.

I'm just wondering why, though? Is it really okay just because it is fictional? Shouldn't there be a line drawn?

I think the primary reason it's treated differently is that children aren't harmed in the production of anime-style, underage pornography. It's a difficult topic, especially because it's such a demonized one, but the fact remains that most adults who feel an attraction to children do know it's wrong, and won't in their lives harm a child for the purposes sexual gratification. (Source for that, but TL;DR 3-5% of men are pedophiles, but the rate of child sex abuse is much lower than that.)

When it comes to conventional child pornography, the primary aspect of its criminality is that it's a heinous crime against a child. If you remove the child, however, then one supposes that the question of the acceptability of animated child pornography is more a question of "Will this cause an increase in criminal activities, specifically sexual crimes against children."

Now, as incredibly sensitive as that topic is, if you were to ask this particular community (MMO-Champion, that is) whether or not violent video games increased the rates of violence among their players, you'd get a fairly resounding "No", for a response.

And, if in fact it doesn't increase the rates of crimes against children, then banning these materials is something approaching an attempt to police 'thought-crime'.

My personal opinion on the matter is that it likely does some good, and little to no harm, to have these materials available. I don't believe simulated experiences significantly increase the risk of that behaviour being enacted in real life, and I do believe that giving people at least some outlet for their sexuality where they aren't treated like a criminal is a healthy way to keep them in a more relaxed, more reasonable mental state, where they're less likely to commit violent crimes of any kind.

If we're legally importing and trading media from other countries, they should be held to the higher moral standard that the US prides itself on. It's why censorship exists.

I have to ask, if you're of the opinion that censorship is an acceptable way to promote moral standards, if you'd be willing to accept the imposition upon you of moral standards you don't happen to agree with? Would you accept for instance, the suppression of all forms of non-Christian religion, because it is offensive in the eyes of God?

[Independent voter]

I think I got to watch goblin slayer.

[Keltas]

If we're legally importing and trading media from other countries, they should be held to the higher moral standard that the US prides itself on. It's why censorship exists.

Those high moral standards like having child beauty pageants and sexualizing the ever-living shit out of child/teenage actors. Not to mention the amount of sexualized ads and campaigns we run.

Nah it's the anime tiddies that's the problem.



(PS, I know this is a troll thread, but god damn it's one of my favorite arguments to hear from soccer moms).

[MikeBogina]

If we're legally importing and trading media from other countries, they should be held to the higher moral standard that the US prides itself on. It's why censorship exists.

like what?! We don't need the government deciding what meets moral requirement, only legal.

And no, that's not why censorship exists...

[YUPPIE]

I think the primary reason it's treated differently is that children aren't harmed in the production of anime-style, underage pornography. It's a difficult topic, especially because it's such a demonized one, but the fact remains that most adults who feel an attraction to children do know it's wrong, and won't in their lives harm a child for the purposes sexual gratification. (Source for that, but TL;DR 3-5% of men are pedophiles, but the rate of child sex abuse is much lower than that.)

When it comes to conventional child pornography, the primary aspect of its criminality is that it's a heinous crime against a child. If you remove the child, however, then one supposes that the question of the acceptability of animated child pornography is more a question of "Will this cause an increase in criminal activities, specifically sexual crimes against children."

Now, as incredibly sensitive as that topic is, if you were to ask this particular community (MMO-Champion, that is) whether or not violent video games increased the rates of violence among their players, you'd get a fairly resounding "No", for a response.

And, if in fact it doesn't increase the rates of crimes against children, then banning these materials is something approaching an attempt to police 'thought-crime'.

My personal opinion on the matter is that it likely does some good, and little to no harm, to have these materials available. I don't believe simulated experiences significantly increase the risk of that behaviour being enacted in real life, and I do believe that giving people at least some outlet for their sexuality where they aren't treated like a criminal is a healthy way to keep them in a more relaxed, more reasonable mental state, where they're less likely to commit violent crimes of any kind.

ill get to you on this soon, thank you for the response

[Skizzit]

Because you cannot molest a cartoon...

so just because it's fictional, no matter how obscene or horrifying, it's all good? Isn't there something wrong with that? By your logic, that means you can simultaneously draw and write anything you want without retribution under the logic it's not real.

Yes, that is exactly right. Write/draw whatever you want. People already write and draw some crazy shit online. You are saying they should be arrested for what exactly? Offending someone? Who gets to decide where the line is? There is already stuff out there far worse than anything I have seen in anime. Go watch Serbian Film, or hell, just go read the IMBD or wikipedia page for it. And that is an actual movie. But it's still not real.

I like how all the anime fans are flocking in here to defend their hobby with the most nonsensical arguments possible.

Go ahead, publish a comic where you explicitly mention your plans of killing the US president, where you shit talk the prophet at least 17 times on every single page, where you have every character rape and burn Jewish babies alive. See how far your 'BUT MAH FREEDOM OF SPEECHHH DUUUH' argument brings you then.

But animes where there's a bunch of 10 y/o lookin 11 y/o stick figures fuckin, that's totally kewl, because it's only fictional - just like my fictional book where I'm describing a society where certain events around 1945 never happened. It's only fictional, how could it harm anyone? Just let me write my fictional stories about fucking minors and slaughtering minorities while portraying both as something good and normal because that's just my way of expressing myself.

I can almost guarantee that the majority of that already exists in some form. What you are suggesting is government sanctioned censorship and morality police. That shit is super dangerous because again, who gets to decide what is ok and what isn't? You know who already has something similar to what you are suggesting? North Korea.

It's ok to not like something. It's ok to be offended by something. But neither of those should result is the creator being punished as long as no one is actually hurt because of said works creation. And I don't mean that reading/viewing it hurt your feelings or some shit, I mean actual people were hurt during its creation. That is the reason child pornography is illegal. Not because of the people who are watching it, because real children were abused in order to make it. And again, you cannot molest a cartoon.

Edit: Shit, I just realized I saw something perfect for this thread just this morning (yes, I know it is dated 2014 but I just saw it this morning):

[Gasparde]

It's just sexual bias, mostly. As soon as it's about sex in some way, it's suddenly dangerous. But all those movies, TV series, and video games where people are murdered and killed by the dozen nobody cares about in the slightest. You can literally show torture on prime time TV without batting an eye, but don't you DARE show a penis or the world will literally go up in flames.

The difference is also in what effect it has on people. Religious violence, for example, is very real, and the effects of inflammatory material - fictional or not - are often severe. The effect of lolicon anime/manga on actual sexual crime, meanwhile, is almost non-existent. And probably much less than the effect "mundane" violence in fiction (and non-fiction) has on violent crime.

Key words here being probably and almost non-existent.
I agree that it seems rather silly that people living in a world where there's people murdering each other with dozens of boobs wobbling around on prime time TV are complaining about cartoons where weird looking characters have sex with each other. The problem are the implications, doesn't matter if they're only fictional.

We don't have primetime TV shows where it's portrayed as completely normal for characters to only go for girls who looks as if they were only 10 years old. Yet in anime or manga culture that is actually... rather frequent. It's the implication of it being perfectly normal to like women or men who look like they're only 12 years old that's the problem. We can't know what consequences these implications have for sure. I'm not saying that everyone who likes this kind of lolicon whateverness subconsciuosly turns into a pedophile, but fact of the matter is that we simply can't tell for sure if it doesn't do that to at least... some people. Simply putting it off and ridiculing the idea of closely monitoring such stories because 'it's my free speech, it's only fictional, it's just fantasy' is a dangerous and hugely arrogant mindset.

[MikeBogina]

I think I got to watch goblin slayer.

If you don't mind torture, rape and... snuff, you're in for a good time

JK, it doesn't happen as much as people make it out.

[YUPPIE]

@SirKickBan

So if pedophiles are using anime as an outlet for their sexual fantasies but not harming anyone in real life, then they should be left alone? We really can't just arrest people knowing they are pedophiles under the excuse they haven't harmed anyone real?

[Th3Scourge]

If we're legally importing and trading media from other countries, they should be held to the higher moral standard that the US prides itself on. It's why censorship exists.

Please tell me more about how morally superior you are. You can't have freedom of speech and freedom of expression without it extending to everything legal.

Unless we should only be allowed to view mediums that are state-sanctioned and approved by the general secretary

[Calfredd]

@SirKickBan

So if pedophiles are using anime as an outlet for their sexual fantasies but not harming anyone in real life, then they should be left alone? We really can't just arrest people knowing they are pedophiles under the excuse they haven't harmed anyone real?

You wouldn't arrest people just because they look off (well you would mister "people with scars or amputations should be ashamed to be in public) so we don't arrest people because they might molest a child; society doesn't work like that.

[Jtbrig7390]

@SirKickBan

So if pedophiles are using anime as an outlet for their sexual fantasies but not harming anyone in real life, then they should be left alone? We really can't just arrest people knowing they are pedophiles under the excuse they haven't harmed anyone real?

Replace pedophile with murder and ask yourself the same question...

You can't pre-arrest someone, they have to commit a crime.