Let the Alliance raid Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon!

[Varodoc]

Alleria is NOT the rightful queen for she is NOT a royalty.

Neither were the Wrynns in Stormwind. Originally the kingdom was ruled by the Arathi bloodline of which Anduin Lothar is the last descendant. Yet you don't see the people of Stormwind denouncing Anduin Wrynn as a usurper and praising the memory of Anduin Lothar as the rightful King of Stormwind, do you?

Point is, once Alleria takes the throne and ushers in a new golden age of freedom and equality, do you really think that future generations will care about the fact that the Windrunners were not the first royal family of Quel'thalas?

[Maxilian]

I do like the idea, but at least the invasion of the Zandalari capital makes the Alliance seem more competent in this war. (i mean... it was a well planned attack, though a little naive of Anduin to expect this would break the bond between the Horde and the Zandalari)

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Neither were the Wrynns in Stormwind. Originally the kingdom was ruled by the Arathi bloodline of which Anduin Lothar is the last descendant. Yet you don't see the people of Stormwind denouncing Anduin Wrynn and praising the memory of Anduin Lothar as the rightful King of Stormwind, do you?

Point is, once Alleria takes the throne and ushers in a new golden age of freedom and equality, do you really think that future generations will care about the fact that the Windrunners were not the first royal family of Quel'thalas?

If this end up happening, they can't retake the Isles of Queldanas, if they do... they will get anything but a "new golden age of freedom and equality" (nor i get the comment itself, not like the BE have any problem with freedom or equality)

[Rendark]

There is no way the alliance could ever take Silvermoon.

[Sports72Xtrm]

And where will all the blood elven refugees go? Hopefully not into the centre of Orgrimmar or atop the various walls? Got enough to look at with all the undead around.

Dalaran's prisons and the Stormwind Stockades has plenty of room for them as prisoners of war.

[Varodoc]

(nor i get the comment itself, not like the BE have any problem with freedom or equality)

You can't even practice the Void in peace like in every other nation. If you are found doing that, you are immediately exiled and thrown into the Scourge-infested wilderness.

[Lochton]

Neither were the Wrynns in Stormwind. Originally the kingdom was ruled by the Arathi bloodline of which Anduin Lothar is the last descendant. Yet you don't see the people of Stormwind denouncing Anduin Wrynn and praising the memory of Anduin Lothar as the rightful King of Stormwind, do you?

Did Varian Wynn not inherit his throne? Anduin Lothar was the champion - or is this in the chronicles changed?


King Anduin Wrynn (current),
King Varian Wrynn (former)
Regent Lord Bolvar Fordragon (former)
Interim King Anduin Wrynn (former)
Regent Lord Anduin Lothar (former)
King Llane Wrynn I (former)
King Adamant Wrynn III (former)
King Landen Wrynn (former)

Point is, once Alleria takes the throne and ushers in a new golden age of freedom and equality, do you really think that future generations will care about the fact that the Windrunners were not the first royal family of Quel'thalas?

OH COME OF IT!

An elf who has voices in her head telling her to kill or harm any light or undeath users isn't equality. Lor'themar is seemingly the only elf among the current ones to hold it. Only fix left is if Blood Elf and the Silver Covenant buries the hatchet and Vareesa forms as member of a council with Lor'themar and other non-void elves.

[Sports72Xtrm]

And what gives Lor'themar the right to be the "king" of Silvermoon? Alleria was off fighting the Burning Legion and protecting Quel'thalas from Amani trolls and orcs before Lor'themar was even Sylvanas' errand boy.

[Lochton]

And what gives Lor'themar the right to be the "king" of Silvermoon? Alleria was off fighting the Burning Legion and protecting Quel'thalas from Amani trolls and orcs before Lor'themar was even Sylvanas' errand boy.

Oh, Alleria wasn't the only one. Was made HIM the regent lord was most likely the decades of none of the Windrunners being wanting/wanted/there to have anything with the Blood Elves. Lor'themar was assigned as regent lord with two other as councilors. We have no royal line anymore and damn right, Alleria being afflicted with the Void makes her even LESS of a choice.

Oh, and Lor'themar fought trolls and undead too, most likely other stuff as well. Not to mention he fought the rule of his own prince after what his plans was revealed to lead.

[Sangris]

And what gives Lor'themar the right to be the "king" of Silvermoon? Alleria was off fighting the Burning Legion and protecting Quel'thalas from Amani trolls and orcs before Lor'themar was even Sylvanas' errand boy.

He doesn't even want to be King. His people want him to be their king because he simultaneously led them through dealing with their addiction, a zombie apocalypse and Amani attacks.

[Varodoc]

Did Varian Wynn not inherit his throne? Anduin Lothar was the champion - or is this in the chronicles changed?

The Wrynn dynasty is not the original royal house of Stormwind (though by the time Varian was born they had already been the royal house for centuries), that honor is reserved to the now extinct Arathi bloodline (which died with Anduin Lothar). It was Faldir, heir of Thoradin, who led the expedition south and founded Stormwind.

An elf who has voices in her head telling her to kill or harm any light or undeath users isn't equality.

Everyone is prone to madness. Everyone can be tempted by the Void. Even the most rigid Light-user can fall to the whispers of the Void, just like Benedictus, who was a pious Priest, but was tempted by Deathwing's promises of power.

Theron and Vereesa, much like Alleria, are not invulnerable to the Void. But Alleria has an advantage. During her extensive training with the ominous Locus-Walker, she developed a strong mental fortitude that will allow her to better resist the whispers. Whereas Theron and Vereesa are just normal mortal beings, they will stand no chance if the Void Lords ever whisper to them like they do to Alleria.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Oh, Alleria wasn't the only one. Was made HIM the regent lord was most likely the decades of none of the Windrunners being wanting/wanted/there to have anything with the Blood Elves. Lor'themar was assigned as regent lord with two other as councilors. We have no royal line anymore and damn right, Alleria being afflicted with the Void makes her even LESS of a choice.

He doesn't even want to be King. His people want him to be their king because he simultaneously led them through dealing with their addiction, a zombie apocalypse and Amani attacks.

A position Lor'themar conveniently managed to retain after he usurped the guy who appointed him making the legality of his appointment in the first place null and void. He has refused to step down as the sovereign of the region, mind controlled dissidents into spewing propaganda praising him, keeping the high elves and void elves in exile and all those who don't acknowledge him as king, and has refused to have an election to get a replacement sovereign. Lor'themar is a corrupt tyrant acting like the crown was foisted on him and he's keeping it by fooling the Horde with a veneer of magnanimity.

[Friendlyimmolation]

There would be no "Grey" in the Invasion of Quel'thalas. Theron is a dictator who controls the minds of dissidents (such as those two Priests in the market) and exiles anyone who doesn't associate with his political agenda (Veresa, Umbric, Alleria...).

In addition, as the Void Lords themselves stated, Alleria Windrunner is the rightful Queen of Silvermoon. Indeed, House Windrunner was always one of the most powerful of the Kingdom, and with the Sunstriders and Sylvanas out of the way (the dead have no rights), Alleria has the strongest claim to the throne. Even the ominous and omniscient Void Lords aknowledged that.

Do note that Alleria wants to build a new future for every Thalassian citizen, a future in the Alliance. A golden age where the old cultural divisions are cast aside to usher in a new society driven by freedom of speech and religion. She does not want to kill every single Blood Elf in Quel'thalas.

As for Umbric, after everything he has suffered, he deserves a happy ending. And he would make for a great ruler, seeing as he cannot stand the dark seed of tyranny that has unfortunately taken root and festered in the black heart of the Horde. Although Alleria deserves to be Queen more than Umbric.

Hilarious as always.

[Lochton]

The Wrynn dynasty is not the original royal house of Stormwind (though by the time Varian was born they had already been the royal house for centuries), that honor is reserved to the now extinct Arathi bloodline (which died with Anduin Lothar). It was Faldir, heir of Thoradin, who led the expedition south and founded Stormwind.

Yes but then Wrynn was instated far back and has been the rightful ruling since. Lor'themar was chosen for his position.

Everyone is prone to madness. Everyone can be tempted by the Void. Even the most rigid Light-user can fall to the whispers of the Void, just like Benedictus, who was a pious Priest, but was tempted by Deathwing's promises of power.

Theron and Vereesa, much like Alleria, are not invulnerable to the Void. But Alleria has an advantage. During her extensive training with the ominous Locus-Walker, she developed a strong mental fortitude that will allow her to better resist the whispers.

Alleria isn't invulnerable to the void either, that was revealed. Even so, she's more of a rist than the two others. Two, who's serving their goals for centuries in different forms Vs. one who's spent what is compared to a millenia off-world to then return, then choose to consume herself with the void as a weapon, now has a DIRECT hotline to the void dating service. Doesn't even matter if she can control it, do you think every void elf holds the same resolute bond?

[Friendlyimmolation]

And what gives Lor'themar the right to be the "king" of Silvermoon? Alleria was off fighting the Burning Legion and protecting Quel'thalas from Amani trolls and orcs before Lor'themar was even Sylvanas' errand boy.

Holy fuck the ignorance of the lore hurts my head so bad I think I'm getting a nosebleed.

Lor'themar outranked Alleria for a good long while, he was second in command to Sylvanas. He was appointed by Kael'thas to rule in his absence, that is his right to lead, he was appointed by the last living royal family member.

[Dellis0991]

How about no.

[Aeula]

You just invaded Dazar'alor and before that Orgrimmar.

When was the last time the Horde raided an Alliance-held city?

[Friendlyimmolation]

A position Lor'themar conveniently managed to retain after he usurped the guy who appointed him making the legality of his appointment in the first place null and void. He has refused to step down as the sovereign of the region, mind controlled dissidents into spewing propaganda praising him, keeping the high elves and void elves in exile and all those who don't acknowledge him as king, and has refused to have an election to get a replacement sovereign. Lor'themar is a corrupt tyrant acting like the crown was foisted on him and he's keeping it by fooling the Horde with a veneer of magnanimity.

yikes you really drank the void elf coolaid didn't you?

If you at all read any of Lor'themar's short story or blood of the Highborne, you'd know everything you just said was bullshit.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Holy fuck the ignorance of the lore hurts my head so bad I think I'm getting a nosebleed.

Lor'themar outranked Alleria for a good long while, he was second in command to Sylvanas. He was appointed by Kael'thas to rule in his absence, that is his right to lead, he was appointed by the last living royal family member.

The last living royal family member who tried to turn his people into Burning Legion slaves. That makes the legality of his appointments null and void under grounds of treason. Kael'thas was a traitor to his country and so was Lor'themar who carried out his will.

[vilememory]

I actually lol'ed out so loud my BF looked at me in worry.

Thank you, that brightened my day. I am always glad when one of my silly things can make people laugh.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The last living royal family member who tried to turn his people into Burning Legion slaves. That makes the legality of his appointments null and void under grounds of treason. Kael'thas was a traitor to his country and so was Lor'themar who carried out his will.

That's not how that works at all, Kaelthas appointed Lor'themar long before he became corrupted. Please do not try to use terms like treason /null/ void when it is obvious you have no idea of how any of those terms would work in Lor'themar's appointment.

The only traitor here is every high elf, every void elf, and Alleria who self who would kill blood elves just because they don't love humans like she does.