Foreign meddling is BAD...

[Deleted]

...only if the foreigners involved are Russian.

But importing 12 million foreign people that will largely vote for you if given citizenship is good.

Also okay is to import millions of refugees from undemocratic cultures that subjugate women and beat infidels up. Yay diversity of conflicting fundamental values. Just remember... only the Russians are bad. (probably because they abandoned communism, when they were communist we loved them)

[Kaleredar]

If immigrants are given citizenship then they are citizens and who they vote for is not your concern.

Russian citizens who are not citizens of the United States affecting the election are doing so illicitly, as they are not citizens of the US.

Muslims living in the United States show no statistical inclination towards violence, crime or violent approaches towards those of other beliefs. And, again, if they are citizens, your thoughts on who they vote for is immaterial.

Russian citizens act on the behalf of what's best for Russian interests, not the United States' interests. In many ways those interests are mutually exclusive; Russia's internal and external conduct has ensured that.


Overall, 2/10. Come on, at least TRY with your bullshit. The bait around here has grown so weak lately. We used to have so much better.

[zmp]

It wuzz DUH Rawzians!!!112

[Deleted]

If they're given citizenship then they are citizens and who they vote for is not your concern.

Only they are NOT citizens yet, so it is everyone's concern how they plan to integrate into this community.

Russian citizens who are not citizens of the United States affecting the election are doing so illicitly, as they are not citizens of the US.

I wonder if you would say the same about Europe meddling in the US election with propaganda in favor of Hillary or against Trump.

Oh right, meddling is fine as long as it's pro-left.

Muslims living in the United States show no statistical inclination towards violence, crime or violent approaches towards those of other beliefs. And, again, if they are citizens, your thoughts on who they vote for is immaterial.

Islamic based terrorism kills the most people in the US despite only being around 1% of the population.

The only way progressives get around this is to ignore 9/11 (all their "statistics" conveniently start on 9/12/2001 and don't account for population differences) and ignore failed plots foiled by billions of dollars of FBI activity that maybe could have been spent tackling other crimes without this threat.

Russian citizens act on the behalf of what's best for Russian interests, not the United States' interests.

What makes you think illegals act in US' interests. They act in THEIR interest, they don't even give a shit about the law.

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Asylum seekers do not gain citizenship. The US is notoriously hard to gain citizenship in. This is just a conspiracy theory.

It is hard to gain citizenship in the US because of Republicans. They're the only group stopping Democrats from legalizing 12 million illegals and getting easy votes.

[Slant]

What's this nonsense about then?

[Mekh]

Islamic based terrorism kills the most people in the US despite only being around 1% of the population.

The only way progressives get around this is to ignore 9/11 (all their "statistics" conveniently start on 9/12/2001 and don't account for population differences) and ignore failed plots foiled by billions of dollars of FBI activity that maybe could have been spent tackling other crimes without this threat.

The number of right-wing terrorist attacks is way higher than that of Muslim fundamentalists. Difference is, when the Muslim fundamentalists do something, they go big or go home, while the white master race can't even terror right apparently.

[Dontrike]

Also okay is to import millions of refugees

Do show this "importing of refugees". I think we'd all love to see your mountains of evidence.

[Teleros]

...only if the foreigners involved are Russian.

Addendum: if the foreigners are American, then it's for your own good :P .

But importing 12 million foreign people that will largely vote for you if given citizenship is good.

The Solution
After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers' Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
Bertolt Brecht, 1953

Also okay is to import millions of refugees from undemocratic cultures that subjugate women and beat infidels up. Yay diversity of conflicting fundamental values.

Part and parcel, mate. Part and parcel.

Just remember... only the Russians are bad. (probably because they abandoned communism, when they were communist we loved them)

Look, it was only a hundred million, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, and besides that everyone knows true communism has never been tried...

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If immigrants are given citizenship then they are citizens and who they vote for is not your concern.

I think I've found Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's account.

Russian citizens who are not citizens of the United States affecting the election are doing so illicitly, as they are not citizens of the US.

"Affecting the election"... lol. Barack Obama tried to affect the Brexit referendum - no wait never mind, he's an American so it's good that he does this.

Seriously though, it's the age of the internet, if Ivan Bloggsunov wants to spam American inboxes with "vote for X" stuff there's not a lot you can do unless you want to recreate the Great Firewall of China. Just remember though that your own domestic campaigns will still be outspending those pesky former Commies by many orders of magnitude.

Muslims living in the United States show no statistical inclination towards violence, crime or violent approaches towards those of other beliefs.

Orange man bad. Beep boop.

And, again, if they are citizens, your thoughts on who they vote for is immaterial.

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

Russian citizens act on the behalf of what's best for Russian interests, not the United States' interests. In many ways those interests are mutually exclusive; Russia's internal and external conduct has ensured that.

Yes, because all Russians think and act in lock-step .

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The number of right-wing terrorist attacks is way higher than that of Muslim fundamentalists. Difference is, when the Muslim fundamentalists do something, they go big or go home, while the white master race can't even terror right apparently.

Therefore we should continue to import the population which statistically produces far more successful terrorists than the natives? Am I reading this right?

Do show this "importing of refugees". I think we'd all love to see your mountains of evidence.

http://www.wrapsnet.org/admissions-and-arrivals/

From the State Department. The 1975-present figures link to an Excel spreadsheet with the following data:

Africa: 390,043
Asia: 1,482,686
Europe: 330,542
Former USSR: 596,571
Kosovo: 14,161
Latin America & Caribbean: 129,668
Near East & South Asia: 463,643
PSI: 8,214

Total: 3,415,559

This assumes of course that there are no illegal refugees running around out there.

[Dontrike]

http://www.wrapsnet.org/admissions-and-arrivals/

From the State Department. The 1975-present figures link to an Excel spreadsheet with the following data:

Africa: 390,043
Asia: 1,482,686
Europe: 330,542
Former USSR: 596,571
Kosovo: 14,161
Latin America & Caribbean: 129,668
Near East & South Asia: 463,643
PSI: 8,214

Total: 3,415,559

This assumes of course that there are no illegal refugees running around out there.

No. Using the word import would mean someone is buying these people for the express purpose of voting in the future. So all you're doing is showing that immigrants of any sort have come here. Yay for you getting it wrong. Nice try though.

[Teleros]

No. Using the word import would mean someone is buying these people for the express purpose of voting in the future. So all you're doing is showing that immigrants of any sort have come here. Yay for you getting it wrong. Nice try though.

That data's just for refugees, not all immigrants. The figures for all immigrants are much (much) higher.

True, I'm not aware off-hand of any documents showing plans to deliberately import refugees because they'll vote for X, but the fact that even by official figures millions have come into the US since 1975 should be pretty clear I hope.

Now, given that immigrants almost always vote for the left, I think it not unreasonable to assume that refugees do too, and that left-wing parties generally welcome refugees for this purpose (irrespective of any other, more allegedly ethical ones, they may have).

[Pannonian]

That data's just for refugees, not all immigrants. The figures for all immigrants are much (much) higher.

True, I'm not aware off-hand of any documents showing plans to deliberately import refugees because they'll vote for X, but the fact that even by official figures millions have come into the US since 1975 should be pretty clear I hope.

Now, given that immigrants almost always vote for the left, I think it not unreasonable to assume that refugees do too, and that left-wing parties generally welcome refugees for this purpose (irrespective of any other, more allegedly ethical ones, they may have).

While Immigrants may tend to favor (current) left-wing stance of immigration may be true, it also depends a lot on the culture. Especially immigrants on latin america are much more prone to conservative (family) values. Only if you brand them as rapists..
@Destroyer of Leftism

You're aware illegal immigrants cannot vote? They can after they aquire citizenship, and then there is no difference. Or do you think because you have been a citizen for longer (or by birth) your opinion is worth more than a fresh citizen?

[padie]

That data's just for refugees, not all immigrants. The figures for all immigrants are much (much) higher.

True, I'm not aware off-hand of any documents showing plans to deliberately import refugees because they'll vote for X, but the fact that even by official figures millions have come into the US since 1975 should be pretty clear I hope.

Now, given that immigrants almost always vote for the left, I think it not unreasonable to assume that refugees do too, and that left-wing parties generally welcome refugees for this purpose (irrespective of any other, more allegedly ethical ones, they may have).

I'm sure you can prove that immigrants almost always vote for the left claim.

[Mekh]

Therefore we should continue to import the population which statistically produces far more successful terrorists than the natives? Am I reading this right?

Or maybe you nazi scumsuckers need to step up your game, if you want to play in the big league like the people you hate. Your call.

[Dontrike]

That data's just for refugees, not all immigrants. The figures for all immigrants are much (much) higher.

That would be the point of my "immigrants of any sort" comment. Again, reading. Do it.

True, I'm not aware off-hand of any documents showing plans to deliberately import refugees because they'll vote for X, but the fact that even by official figures millions have come into the US since 1975 should be pretty clear I hope.

No, the point of the first comment was importing millions for voting, therefore all you've done is given random information for something that has nothing to do with this topic.

Now, given that immigrants almost always vote for the left, I think it not unreasonable to assume that refugees do too, and that left-wing parties generally welcome refugees for this purpose (irrespective of any other, more allegedly ethical ones, they may have).

Perhaps if the other side wasn't consistently talking down to, shit talking, trying to get rid of, vilifying them, and so much more. Maybe they should look at why they are not being voted for rather than spouting nonsense about one side IMPORTING PEOPLE into the country.

[Deleted]

You are doing it wrong.

You should compare it to US meddling in other countries, which US has been doing for decades and still is doing on much much larger scale. It is fine when US does it, because US is land of free, the most democratic country on planet and know better what other countries should do, but it is not fine when someone allegedly does it to US.

[Machismo]

...only if the foreigners involved are Russian.

But importing 12 million foreign people that will largely vote for you if given citizenship is good.

Also okay is to import millions of refugees from undemocratic cultures that subjugate women and beat infidels up. Yay diversity of conflicting fundamental values. Just remember... only the Russians are bad. (probably because they abandoned communism, when they were communist we loved them)

Man, you sure are pulling out all the stops on racism today.

It's not importing anything, it's simply allowing them to come in. Why do you hate freedom and capitalism so damn much?

[Deleted]

Man, you sure are pulling out all the stops on racism today.

It's not importing anything, it's simply allowing them to come in. Why do you hate freedom and capitalism so damn much?

Why do you?

[Machismo]

Why do you?

Except that I don't. Maybe you can find a single example of me opposing them.

I'll wait.

[Deleted]

Except that I don't. Maybe you can find a single example of me opposing them.

I'll wait.

You want millions to be able to come here freely knowing full well this will strain the already fragile welfare programs.

You also know full well they're going to vote for anything BUT capitalism if given the vote.

So why do you hate freedom so much?

[Sorshen]

These conspiracy threads are getting dumber and dumber. It's like the_donald is overflowing recently.