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  1. #41
    To be expected, nothing rises in value indefinitely. The issue with Bitcoin has been though it's rarely stable in it's value, probably changed seven times before you finished reading this. Yes an exaggeration, but still, wise investors want something that's less of a Roller Coaster for long term speculation.

  2. #42
    Seems like Warren Buffett knew what he was talking about after all! Who would've thought?

    /s

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Cryptocurrency is just the dot-com bubble of the '90s for the early 21st Century. It's a bubble that's gonna burst, and while you could have made millions if you got in early, most people are going to lose their shirts.

    With the added negative, as others have noted, that in this case the big advantage is how easily cryptocurrency can be used to fund criminal activity.



    Meaning it's backed by the economic strength of the United States. Which is identifiable and appreciable.

    What backs bitcoin's value? It's mostly just the users. And if they decide not to, it'll crash, lightning-fast. Because there's not a lot more to it. This is why some cryptocurrencies are worth a ton (Bitcoin), and others are worth basically nothing and likely never will be.
    The idea is that there is nothing truly tangible about what is backing both. America continuing to be trustworthy isn't tangible it is the idea of the country that gives the strength to the currency.

    Bitcoin is really just one major player in a specific tech space that in the future may be big. For now the entire crypto space is a place of speculative investments with the hope that in the future things turn out well. Like the first phase of a drug for a small biotech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revi View Post
    Cash is far less traceable, you can't cover your tracks that way with Bitcoin.

    And don't forget literally billions of illegally gained money are laundered through major banks. As far as sheer volume of crime-money flow, major trusted banks are by far the #1 sinner.

    If I had my tinfoil hat on, I'd be pretty suspicious of the source of the "crypto is bad, leave it with the banks" idea.
    Remember that there actually isn't any illegal money in the first place - except for counterfeit money.

    All of the money is real and legal money - it doesn't magically appear from nowhere. Just because people use their perfectly legal money for buying illegal things - it doesn't change the core of the system. Sure that money becomes tainted, but it's the same money that has been in the system from the beginning.
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    i've said i'd like to have one of those bad dragon dildos shaped like a horse, because the shape is nicer than human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    I'll take Nobel laureates, financial experts and actual economists word over yours on this matter.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency
    Nothing in this supports your overall message so why the fuck are you quoting it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Nothing in this supports your overall message so why the fuck are you quoting it?
    Yes there is, right in the first paragraph.
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i've said i'd like to have one of those bad dragon dildos shaped like a horse, because the shape is nicer than human.
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i was talking about horse cock again, told him to look at your sig.

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Krugman

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/o...ble-fraud.html

    The other day my barber asked me whether he should put all his money in Bitcoin. And the truth is that if he’d bought Bitcoin, say, a year ago he’d be feeling pretty good right now. On the other hand, Dutch speculators who bought tulip bulbs in 1635 also felt pretty good for a while, until tulip prices collapsed in early 1637.

    So is Bitcoin a giant bubble that will end in grief? Yes. But it’s a bubble wrapped in techno-mysticism inside a cocoon of libertarian ideology. And there’s something to be learned about the times we live in by peeling away that wrapping.

    If you’ve been living in a cave and haven’t heard of Bitcoin, it’s the biggest, best-known example of a “cryptocurrency”: an asset that has no physical existence, consisting of nothing but a digital record stored on computers. What makes cryptocurrencies different from ordinary bank accounts, which are also nothing but digital records, is that they don’t reside in the servers of any particular financial institution. Instead, a Bitcoin’s existence is documented by records distributed in many places.

    And your ownership isn’t verified by proving (and hence revealing) your identity. Instead, ownership of a Bitcoin is verified by possession of a secret password, which — using techniques derived from cryptography, the art of writing or solving codes — lets you access that virtual coin without revealing any information you don’t choose to.

    It’s a nifty trick. But what is it good for?

    In principle, you can use Bitcoin to pay for things electronically. But you can use debit cards, PayPal, Venmo, etc. to do that, too — and Bitcoin turns out to be a clunky, slow, costly means of payment. In fact, even Bitcoin conferences sometimes refuse to accept Bitcoins from attendees. There’s really no reason to use Bitcoin in transactions — unless you don’t want anyone to see either what you’re buying or what you’re selling, which is why much actual Bitcoin use seems to involve drugs, sex and other black-market goods.

    So Bitcoins aren’t really digital cash. What they are, sort of, is the digital equivalent of $100 bills.

    Like Bitcoins, $100 bills aren’t much use for ordinary transactions: Most shops won’t accept them. But “Benjamins” are popular with thieves, drug dealers and tax evaders. And while most of us can go years without seeing a $100 bill, there are a lot of those bills out there — more than a trillion dollars’ worth, accounting for 78 percent of the value of U.S. currency in circulation.

    So are Bitcoins a superior alternative to $100 bills, allowing you to make secret transactions without lugging around suitcases full of cash? Not really, because they lack one crucial feature: a tether to reality.

    lthough the modern dollar is a “fiat” currency, not backed by any other asset, like gold, its value is ultimately backed by the fact that the U.S. government will accept it, in fact demands it, in payment for taxes. Its purchasing power is also stabilized by the Federal Reserve, which will reduce the outstanding supply of dollars if inflation runs too high, increase that supply to prevent deflation. And a $100 bill is, of course, worth 100 of these broadly stable dollars.

    Bitcoin, by contrast, has no intrinsic value at all. Combine that lack of a tether to reality with the very limited extent to which Bitcoin is used for anything, and you have an asset whose price is almost purely speculative, and hence incredibly volatile. Bitcoins lost about 40 percent of their value over the past six weeks; if Bitcoin were an actual currency, that would be the equivalent of a roughly 8,000 percent annual inflation rate.

    Oh, and Bitcoin’s untethered nature also makes it highly susceptible to market manipulation. Back in 2013 fraudulent activities by a single trader appear to have caused a sevenfold increase in Bitcoin’s price. Who’s driving the price now? Nobody knows. Some observers think North Korea may be involved.

    But what about the fact that those who did buy Bitcoin early have made huge amounts of money? Well, people who invested with Bernie Madoff also made lots of money, or at least seemed to, for a long time.

    As Robert Shiller, the world’s leading bubble expert, points out, asset bubbles are like “naturally occurring Ponzi schemes.” Early investors in a bubble make a lot of money as new investors are drawn in, and those profits pull in even more people. The process can go on for years before something — a reality check, or simply exhaustion of the pool of potential marks — brings the party to a sudden, painful end.

    When it comes to cryptocurrencies there’s an additional factor: It’s a bubble, but it’s also something of a cult, whose initiates are given to paranoid fantasies about evil governments stealing all their money (as opposed to private hackers, who have stolen a remarkably high proportion of extant cryptocurrency tokens). Journalists who write skeptically about Bitcoin tell me that no other subject generates as much hate mail.

    So no, my barber shouldn’t buy Bitcoin. This will end badly, and the sooner it does, the better.
    Paul Krugman (a man worth listening to) said this many months back in the NYTimes and was proven, pretty much, absolutely right. It's a bubble based on pure speculation. Like all bubbles built on pure speculation it will collapse eventually. Some people will be able to nip in-and-out of the market fast enough to make money before the bubble bursts, but someone (usually the most uninformed investor) will be left holding the can at the end of the day.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Yes there is, right in the first paragraph.
    If youre going to post sources, you should actually read what they say before you imply they say something which they directly do not. Otherwise youll look not smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apples View Post
    If youre going to post sources, you should actually read what they say before you imply they say something which they directly do not. Otherwise youll look not smart.
    Did you have something to say?
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i was talking about horse cock again, told him to look at your sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Did you have something to say?
    Im sorry but this post is not clear considering where you want me to clarify. Perhaps there is another language that would help you understand better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    That's boring - I prefer actual scams, like PonziCoin!
    This one is my favorite scam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by apples View Post
    Im sorry but this post is not clear considering where you want me to clarify. Perhaps there is another language that would help you understand better?
    I take that as a no.
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
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  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    I take that as a no.
    Thats a lot of words just to say no. How interesting for you!

  14. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by gothwoth View Post
    I'd rather not listen to some cunt who wanted even more of my money to be given to banks.
    Yeah, we in the UK had a guy who said about Brexit; "people in this country have had enough of experts”. Didn't work out too well for us that one.

    Personally I'd trust tenfold actual winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics over random message board posters. Particularly when you have multiple Nobel Prize winners in Economics (many of whom don't like each that much) all effectively saying the same thing.

  15. #55
    ITT: specialists in economics discussing the matter very seriously and with solid arguments, backed on scientific evidences, and with no ideological bias at all.

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    I feel sorry for those that did not get out in time, it's brutal indeed. I was invested as well in late 2016 and got out in February this year (admittedly only 20% down from the ATH in Jan), right now is just brutal. Ripple has been doing well though all things considered compared to ETH/BTC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Remember that there actually isn't any illegal money in the first place - except for counterfeit money.

    All of the money is real and legal money - it doesn't magically appear from nowhere. Just because people use their perfectly legal money for buying illegal things - it doesn't change the core of the system. Sure that money becomes tainted, but it's the same money that has been in the system from the beginning.
    Yeah, that's why I said "illegaly gained". Maybe I could have phrased it better, but I don't mean they launder fake money. They launder money acquired through illegal means.

  18. #58
    Whoever doesn't prepare for it's volatility is a fool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Molis View Post
    Its not a scam
    Its not a scam
    Its not a scam

    If you say it enough it comes true!
    What makes crypto a scam? Maybe try that first.
    The wise wolf who's pride is her wisdom isn't so sharp as drunk.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by kail View Post
    Whoever doesn't prepare for it's volatility is a fool.



    What makes crypto a scam? Maybe try that first.
    Back before bitcoins where super famous, there used to be people who'd deliberately try and crash the value of the coin every so often, they sold beforehand and when the price dropped they'd buy again, and they did this quite successfully. Obviously that doesn't make the coin a scam, but it shows how sensitive to fraud the whole thing is. I don't think it has happened since it the coin blew up but I haven't been paying attention to it for a while so i wouldn't know.
    Last edited by P for Pancetta; 2018-11-22 at 01:50 AM.

  20. #60
    But all those arrogant techbros mocking us for using normal currency told me it would replace all currency everywhere in 10 years!

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