Twelve students injured in dog attack at Oklahoma City elementary school

[Queen of Hamsters]

And Magda Goebbels didn't want to live in a world without national socialism.

I fail to see how that has any relevance at all to what's being discussed.

[Yunru]

The real question is:


If pets are secured this doesnt happen.

[Puupi]

I fail to see how that has any relevance at all to what's being discussed.

"Not wanting to live in a world without X" is quite a strong expression.

She really meant it and stood by her words.

[Celista]

the problem with that reasoning, is that it takes a human to decide when a gun goes off. pits can snap at any moment, on their own animal instinct.

pitbulls need to either stop being bred, or their breeding needs to become much more heavily regulated so that their aggression can be completely removed. anyone not certified to breed them or own them should be fined heavily, in the thousands, if caught with one, and the dog should be put down.

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The problem is that a significant amount of people who own and breed these dogs do so BECAUSE they want an aggressive dog. We wouldn't have an issue with pit bull behavior currently, if that wasn't the case.

Obviously that's the solution, but I'm not sure we'll get there.

[Queen of Hamsters]

"Not wanting to live in a world without X" is quite a strong expression.

She really meant it and stood by her words.

But it's still entirely irrelevant to the discussion... We're talking dogs here, not some political degeneracy.
In fact, I'd even go as far as to say that Military/Police forces wouldn't want a world without the breeds they use as well. All prime prey for the civilians using dogs as weapons/dick extensions.

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the problem with that reasoning, is that it takes a human to decide when a gun goes off. pits can snap at any moment, on their own animal instinct.

pitbulls need to either stop being bred, or their breeding needs to become much more heavily regulated so that their aggression can be completely removed. anyone not certified to breed them or own them should be fined heavily, in the thousands, if caught with one, and the dog should be put down.

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The Pit Bull's already got a zero-tolerance towards aggressive behaviour in its breed standard. No responsible breeder breeds them to be aggressive.
The issue is all the unregulated breeding and it won't go away as long as people keep wanting to buy cheap, easy to come buy puppies on a whim rather than going through a process.

More heavily regulated breeding of dogs as well as ownership of a dog all around would solve many issues.

[Felaris Stormrage]

Not surprising it was a pitbull. They're notoriously aggressive and violent. Also, the people who like these dogs tend to only amplify it.

[Polly3685]

This isn't a breed issue and it never has been. All dog breeds bite and attack. Pits are the only ones that make headlines. Any dog can be trained or bred to be aggressive.

Since the comparison apparently has to be made to guns... Dogs have other purposes besides killing things, guns don't. It's pretty simple and a ridiculous comparison.

[derpkitteh]

The Pit Bull's already got a zero-tolerance towards aggressive behaviour in its breed standard. No responsible breeder breeds them to be aggressive.
The issue is all the unregulated breeding and it won't go away as long as people keep wanting to buy cheap, easy to come buy puppies on a whim rather than going through a process.

More heavily regulated breeding of dogs as well as ownership of a dog all around would solve many issues.

i would love to see more regulation on pet ownership in general, honestly.

there's far too many abused and mistreated animals out there. breeding just shouldn't be something anyone is allowed to do without being like a government registered breeder, a new government service or something. like working at the dmv, basically.

so many people get animals, and just can't afford to do something as simple as take them to the vet for shots.

[Amorac]

pitbulls need to either stop being bred, or their breeding needs to become much more heavily regulated so that their aggression can be completely removed. anyone not certified to breed them or own them should be fined heavily, in the thousands, if caught with one, and the dog should be put down.

You mean the American Pit Bull Terrier? Or all pure and mix breeds included in the name? "Pit bull" includes dogs as the Stafford-shire Bull Terrier, the Stafford-shire Terrier, American Bully (think that is what most people think of by looks), several mix breeds and even the American Bulldog depending on who you ask?

Not disagreeing with you, just wondering what people think a pit bull is.

Also https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5636534/ is rather interesting given that the German Sheppard (1 type of breed) was higher (20%) then the Pit Bull (several types) at 14% before 2001 and after that the numbers switched significantly..

[Afrospinach]

The Pit Bull's already got a zero-tolerance towards aggressive behaviour in its breed standard. No responsible breeder breeds them to be aggressive.
The issue is all the unregulated breeding and it won't go away as long as people keep wanting to buy cheap, easy to come buy puppies on a whim rather than going through a process.

More heavily regulated breeding of dogs as well as ownership of a dog all around would solve many issues.

Doesn't seem viable really. I had a pitbull in the late 90s. He snapped out of nowhere and started biting people after being a model dog for several years. He was intelligent and obedient - until he wasn't. So how are you going to know?

[Projectmars]

Doesn't seem viable really. I had a pitbull in the late 90s. He snapped out of nowhere and started biting people after being a model dog for several years. He was intelligent and obedient - until he wasn't. So how are you going to know?

It can happen to any dog. That's why they should all be put down. People with pet dogs are living with ticking time bombs just waiting to rip their throats out.

[bladeXcrasher]

A few bad dogs should not represent the good dogs, stop trying to punish the entire group for the bad behaviour of a few. Am I doing it right @zenkai ?

[muto]

This is what happens you have people that buy a violent dog breed that's been trained to attack and kill for generations because it's a "fad". Pit Bulls should be banned, or you should have to be able to prove you're a reputable dog trainer to own one.

[Unholyground]

It sounds like you want to ban certain dogs, like liberals want to ban certain guns... go figure.

Unfortunately, some breeds were selectively bred to be more violent and for fighting, and when these dogs are not raised properly they have a far higher chance of attacking unprovoked. That is not to say that other breeds cannot be vicious it is just that the breeds selectively bred for said fighting have far stronger physical forms than non fighting dog breeds. Now there are lots of exceptions but the main culprit is the owner 99% of the time anyways.

[muto]

This isn't a breed issue and it never has been. All dog breeds bite and attack. Pits are the only ones that make headlines. Any dog can be trained or bred to be aggressive.

Since the comparison apparently has to be made to guns... Dogs have other purposes besides killing things, guns don't. It's pretty simple and a ridiculous comparison.

Pit Bulls purpose is killing things. It's not like a Labrador that's trained to fetch bird game, or a Bloodhound that's trained to follow a scent.

[Projectmars]

This is what happens you have people that buy a violent dog breed that's been trained to attack and kill for generations because it's a "fad". All Dogs should be banned, or you should have to be able to prove you're a reputable dog trainer to own one.

Fixed that for you. Dogs are terrible pets and will eventually try to maul you. Not having them and euthanizing the existing ones are the only way to stop it.

[Hilhen7]

Where was the dogs owner?

[muto]

Fixed that for you. Dogs are terrible pets and will eventually try to maul you. Not having them and euthanizing the existing ones are the only way to stop it.

Yeah I'm sure a Yorkshire Terrior or Shih Tzu would be able to do some real damage!!

[Projectmars]

Yeah I'm sure a Yorkshire Terrior or Shih Tzu would be able to do some real damage!!

They will probably go more for the ankles, where they can damage tendons and cripple you. Remember, some small dogs have murdered people before too. Be safe, get rid of all dogs.

[Machismo]

Unfortunately, some breeds were selectively bred to be more violent and for fighting, and when these dogs are not raised properly they have a far higher chance of attacking unprovoked. That is not to say that other breeds cannot be vicious it is just that the breeds selectively bred for said fighting have far stronger physical forms than non fighting dog breeds. Now there are lots of exceptions but the main culprit is the owner 99% of the time anyways.

Oh, I absolutely get that they are inherently more dangerous as a breed. Personally, if legislation is warranted, I would prefer it be done in a manner that makes the dog's actions that of the owner himself. So, if a dog gets out, and attacks a person, it's aggravated assault, or even attempted murder. If the dog kills someone, it's 2nd-degree murder.