[Megathread] The Outer Worlds - Developed by Obsidian

[Jtbrig7390]

im not gonna openly support a shit store/launcher like Epic,

And yet you support Valve/Steam.

How about you go google all the laws they have broke, How many times they have leaked customer info and ect..

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Competition is good, but drive it with innovation, not bloody exclusivity.

Exclusivity is what drives innovation, Its having things your competition doesn't have and doing things they can't do. This is shit you learn in middle school and is the very definition of competition.

[Super Kami Dende]

Why not? Genuinely asking here, as someone who has never used or seen the Epic store. Why does everyone have a giant hate-boner for it? Is it because they made Fortnite?

Epic Store is full of so many security flaws and "spyware" that it makes the original Origin Store Release look squeaky clean. Literally hadn't logged onto Epic launcher since Paragon was released yet in the last 2 months have got 3 different E-mails telling me I've had unsuccessful attempts at people trying to use my Epic account.

[Kylecat15]

And yet you support Valve/Steam.

How about you go google all the laws they have broke, How many times they have leaked customer info and ect..

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Exclusivity is what drives innovation, Its having things your competition doesn't have and doing things they can't do. This is shit you learn in middle school and is the very definition of competition.

Um wat, maybe you should go read Steams ToS or privacy agreement instead of googling for articles. Yeah steam gets access to some of your data and especially through google analytics if you don't go through measures to disable it but they are going around doing whatever they please with your data.

Epic on the other hand does what they want regardless

[Jtbrig7390]

Um wat, maybe you should go read Steams ToS or privacy agreement instead of googling for articles.

You mean the same google articles that literally showed country's sued Valve over the shit they did.

Hate to break it to you but Valve isn't any better at all. Also little late to start complaining about a DRM Platform when the PC community decided to just hand over ownership of the stuff they buy just for a little bit of convenience.

If the "spyware" bullshit didn't happen you would just find something else to bitch about.

Once again Valve only has to say 88% and this shit is over, Yet they won't.

[Okacz]

Two great publishers decided to put their games on Epic instead of Steam. Instead of instantly demonize the creators of "Stick of Truth" and "New Vegas", shouldn't we rather think what the hell is going on with Steam that's making them run away from the platform? Obsidian isn't the bad guys here, they know that Epic is a worse store, visited by less people, they know they risk backlashes and boycotts like Metro had. Even with all this knowledge they decide to go with Epic instead of Steam. Makes you think.

Wonder if this has anything to do with:
1) Way worse shares for the developers
2) Terrible communication with Steam if you arent the "biggest of the AAA", which has been reported
3) Having your game potentially listed next to another "Hentai puzzle" or some other shit that got past the lack of quality control

And other reasons.

Don't get me wrong, customer shouldn't be thinking about companies well-being when purchasing a game, but we shouldn't immediately go against publishers and developers because they changed a store. Remember we're not talking about the biggest sharks of the industry, Activision, EA or Ubi - they have their own annoying stores. It's clearly a problem of smaller, more passionate studios like Obsidian that have been treated with "Steam of GTFO" policy for quite some time now.

[Yunru]

Two great publishers decided to put their games on Epic instead of Steam. Instead of instantly demonize the creators of "Stick of Truth" and "New Vegas", shouldn't we rather think what the hell is going on with Steam that's making them run away from the platform? Obsidian isn't the bad guys here, they know that Epic is a worse store, visited by less people, they know they risk backlashes and boycotts like Metro had. Even with all this knowledge they decide to go with Epic instead of Steam. Makes you think.

Wonder if this has anything to do with:
1) Way worse shares for the developers
2) Terrible communication with Steam if you arent the "biggest of the AAA", which has been reported
3) Having your game potentially listed next to another "Hentai puzzle" or some other shit that got past the lack of quality control

And other reasons.

Don't get me wrong, customer shouldn't be thinking about companies well-being when purchasing a game, but we shouldn't immediately go against publishers and developers because they changed a store. Remember we're not talking about the biggest sharks of the industry, Activision, EA or Ubi - they have their own annoying stores. It's clearly a problem of smaller, more passionate studios like Obsidian that have been treated with "Steam of GTFO" policy for quite some time now.

Main problem here is that they lied to people. All 3 that i know had advertisment -- avaible on steam. Not on steam 1 year later.

[Rogalicus]

Two great publishers decided to put their games on Epic instead of Steam. Instead of instantly demonize the creators of "Stick of Truth" and "New Vegas", shouldn't we rather think what the hell is going on with Steam that's making them run away from the platform? Obsidian isn't the bad guys here, they know that Epic is a worse store, visited by less people, they know they risk backlashes and boycotts like Metro had. Even with all this knowledge they decide to go with Epic instead of Steam. Makes you think.

Wonder if this has anything to do with:
1) Way worse shares for the developers
2) Terrible communication with Steam if you arent the "biggest of the AAA", which has been reported
3) Having your game potentially listed next to another "Hentai puzzle" or some other shit that got past the lack of quality control

And other reasons.

Don't get me wrong, customer shouldn't be thinking about companies well-being when purchasing a game, but we shouldn't immediately go against publishers and developers because they changed a store. Remember we're not talking about the biggest sharks of the industry, Activision, EA or Ubi - they have their own annoying stores. It's clearly a problem of smaller, more passionate studios like Obsidian that have been treated with "Steam of GTFO" policy for quite some time now.

Obsidian is owned by Microsoft, the same Microsoft that decided to release MCC on Steam week earlier. I imagine EGS deal was done by The Outer Worlds publisher, Private Division, and Obsidian themselves weren't the ones deciding. As for why they did it: easy money with exclusivity deal.
By the way, if you still don't think Epic Games are a bunch of lying bastards.

[kappalol]

Pirate.

After year will buy it on steam

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Two great publishers decided to put their games on Epic instead of Steam. Instead of instantly demonize the creators of "Stick of Truth" and "New Vegas", shouldn't we rather think what the hell is going on with Steam that's making them run away from the platform? Obsidian isn't the bad guys here, they know that Epic is a worse store, visited by less people, they know they risk backlashes and boycotts like Metro had. Even with all this knowledge they decide to go with Epic instead of Steam. Makes you think.

Wonder if this has anything to do with:
1) Way worse shares for the developers
2) Terrible communication with Steam if you arent the "biggest of the AAA", which has been reported
3) Having your game potentially listed next to another "Hentai puzzle" or some other shit that got past the lack of quality control

And other reasons.

Don't get me wrong, customer shouldn't be thinking about companies well-being when purchasing a game, but we shouldn't immediately go against publishers and developers because they changed a store. Remember we're not talking about the biggest sharks of the industry, Activision, EA or Ubi - they have their own annoying stores. It's clearly a problem of smaller, more passionate studios like Obsidian that have been treated with "Steam of GTFO" policy for quite some time now.

Only reason why they go for epic is revenue split. Steam is taking more money. There is nothing else. If GabeN wasnt gready fuck and did same revenue split as Epic Store there would be no reason ever to go for Epic store which is vastly inferior to steam.

[Yriel]

So, you're unwilling to install a program to play a game you're otherwise very much looking forward to, because it's annoying to have to do so? Because you only want to use Steam?

You know that Valve fucked over game companies that use Steam, right? They get FAR less money than what Epic is offering.

Why is everybody sooo concerned about how much money publishers get? You do know that middleman salespersons exist for nearly everything and they take roughly the same percentage. Nobody cares how much the producers of food, clothing, cars, electronics, whatever get but a software publishers cut is somehow so important for everybody?
As a consumer i try to pay the lowest price, a producer tries to sell for the highest price. You meet somewhere in the middle. As a consumer i do not care for the profits of publishers as they don't care for my monthly balance. So the Epic store does nothing for me. If the publishers would give some of their savings as a discount i would be interested but it just shows they don't care, they rather take it all themselves. So why should i care?

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Only reason why they go for epic is revenue split. Steam is taking more money. There is nothing else. If GabeN wasnt gready fuck and did same revenue split as Epic Store there would be no reason ever to go for Epic store which is vastly inferior to steam.

No not just that, they guarantee sales and pay the difference themselves. The x-com kickstarter guy said that even when everyone would cancel their pre-orders they'd still make a big profit because epic would pay the difference.

[Dhrizzle]

It's basically spyware

In what way?

[kappalol]

No not just that, they guarantee sales and pay the difference themselves. The x-com kickstarter guy said that even when everyone would cancel their pre-orders they'd still make a big profit because epic would pay the difference.

I backedup Phoenix point. And im totaly pissed after their announcment. Also that sentence about "even if we refund everything we still have money from epic" was disgrace. Using Backers as interest-free loan. Thx for your money we dont need you now, you can fuck off we dont give a shit.

[Yriel]

In what way?

This guy seems to have looked into it a bit : https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/

[Okacz]

Main problem here is that they lied to people. All 3 that i know had advertisment -- avaible on steam. Not on steam 1 year later.

As it was with Metro: Exodus, I believe there's more to this than "lie". They literally changed it a few days before release, no publisher does that just on a whim. There must have been a better reason preceeded by lengthy negotiations. Remember, they gained next to nothing by "lying" to people, they lost a lot of fans and potential steam buyers with that stunt. Smells like a frantic move done at the last minute.

One hint: Exodus was out at the same day as Far Cry: New Dawn. You know, a sudo-DLC to FC 5, that didn't even try to hide it's basically a reskin. But, given the status of Ubisoft, it surely would be more favoured on Steam, shown better on main screen etc. This could have been the straw that broke it, 4A with its ambitions couldn't imagine playing second fiddle to New Dawn

[Yriel]

Two great publishers decided to put their games on Epic instead of Steam. Instead of instantly demonize the creators of "Stick of Truth" and "New Vegas", shouldn't we rather think what the hell is going on with Steam that's making them run away from the platform? Obsidian isn't the bad guys here, they know that Epic is a worse store, visited by less people, they know they risk backlashes and boycotts like Metro had. Even with all this knowledge they decide to go with Epic instead of Steam. Makes you think.

It's money, simple as that.
They take a lower cut and guarantee sales. As a Publisher, why would you say no to that.
It seems that Epic is willing to make a lot of losses just to get a customer base. If that pays out for them in the end only time will tell.

For publishers it's basically a win-win, even if i don't buy the game on epic and wait a year to buy it on steam, they get double money, epic will pay for me not buying and they still get my money from steam in the end.

[The Stormbringer]

While I agree that steam isn't great either, most of my games are there. I really do not want to have to install another launcher (read spyware) on my PC to play this game, especially not when they are starting to force exclusives to segregate the market a little more. I rather buy it from the MS store instead then, or wait 12 months. Soon I have 700 launchers with 700 friend lists.

That's fair, I suppose. I've also been told that their launcher is pretty shit and lacks most of the features that the Steam one has. I was thinking that they were going to be a viable competitor, but it seems that's not the case.

Epic Store is full of so many security flaws and "spyware" that it makes the original Origin Store Release look squeaky clean. Literally hadn't logged onto Epic launcher since Paragon was released yet in the last 2 months have got 3 different E-mails telling me I've had unsuccessful attempts at people trying to use my Epic account.

I heard this too, it's pretty messed up. No one should be loading their platform with that sort of crap.

Why is everybody sooo concerned about how much money publishers get? You do know that middleman salespersons exist for nearly everything and they take roughly the same percentage. Nobody cares how much the producers of food, clothing, cars, electronics, whatever get but a software publishers cut is somehow so important for everybody?
As a consumer i try to pay the lowest price, a producer tries to sell for the highest price. You meet somewhere in the middle. As a consumer i do not care for the profits of publishers as they don't care for my monthly balance. So the Epic store does nothing for me. If the publishers would give some of their savings as a discount i would be interested but it just shows they don't care, they rather take it all themselves. So why should i care?

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No not just that, they guarantee sales and pay the difference themselves. The x-com kickstarter guy said that even when everyone would cancel their pre-orders they'd still make a big profit because epic would pay the difference.

Mostly because of Indie devs who do this to try and survive, or are sacrificing large portions of their time and really not making any sort of profits.

[Charge me Doctor]

In what way?

in a way that it's a software that pokes around places of your pc it has nothing to do with

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Two great publishers decided to put their games on Epic instead of Steam. Instead of instantly demonize the creators of "Stick of Truth" and "New Vegas", shouldn't we rather think what the hell is going on with Steam that's making them run away from the platform? Obsidian isn't the bad guys here, they know that Epic is a worse store, visited by less people, they know they risk backlashes and boycotts like Metro had. Even with all this knowledge they decide to go with Epic instead of Steam. Makes you think.

Wonder if this has anything to do with:
1) Way worse shares for the developers
2) Terrible communication with Steam if you arent the "biggest of the AAA", which has been reported
3) Having your game potentially listed next to another "Hentai puzzle" or some other shit that got past the lack of quality control

And other reasons.

Don't get me wrong, customer shouldn't be thinking about companies well-being when purchasing a game, but we shouldn't immediately go against publishers and developers because they changed a store. Remember we're not talking about the biggest sharks of the industry, Activision, EA or Ubi - they have their own annoying stores. It's clearly a problem of smaller, more passionate studios like Obsidian that have been treated with "Steam of GTFO" policy for quite some time now.

Be real here for a minute, the only reason for that is exclusivity deal, EGS pays them upfront for exclusivity a big chunk of money, that's it.

[Yriel]

Mostly because of Indie devs who do this to try and survive, or are sacrificing large portions of their time and really not making any sort of profits.

And how much do you care for small farmers or clothing producers who sacrifice large portions of their time and not really making any sort of profits? What makes indie Devs so special?

[Charge me Doctor]

For publishers it's basically a win-win, even if i don't buy the game on epic and wait a year to buy it on steam, they get double money, epic will pay for me not buying and they still get my money from steam in the end.

The best part of it - devs get all the shit for decision of publisher

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Mostly because of Indie devs who do this to try and survive, or are sacrificing large portions of their time and really not making any sort of profits.

They can sell their games on itch.io , these guys get 0% cut afaik (i mean, if that's the only concern behind "survival")

[The Stormbringer]

And how much do you care for small farmers or clothing producers who sacrifice large portions of their time and not really making any sort of profits? What makes indie Devs so special?

Nothing makes them special, it's just called 'supporting the industries you care about'. If you like indie games, it would be in your best interest to make sure they're getting a little more money for it.

The best part of it - devs get all the shit for decision of publisher

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They can sell their games on itch.io , these guys get 0% cut afaik (i mean, if that's the only concern behind "survival")

I mean, they can, but has anyone actually heard about "Itch.io"? Are they likely to sell as many games as on Steam?

[Darknessvamp]

Mostly because of Indie devs who do this to try and survive, or are sacrificing large portions of their time and really not making any sort of profits.

I really dislike the amount of bs that Indie Devs have been spewing since the Epic Store has opened and the exclusivity stuff happened. They know for a fact a large number of them went directly to Steam because they actually started to earn money when they got their game on there in comparison to the pittance they were getting through programs like Xbox Live Indies and trying to sell them through their own sites. It's like they forget they were heralding Steam as being the savior of Indie Developers and even were the ones encouraging a more lenient system for publishing games. Now they're desperately shilling for Epic in the hopes they get a big check upfront and exclusivity deal offer that they're seeing Metro, Outer Worlds and Hades get. They're also trying to set it up as some kind of pristine honour for games to get on there but I bet it won't be long before they're grumbling about it like they were with Steam.