In the 1st tier raid Uldir, alliance is fighting G'huun, which they never seen in quest. And 2nd tier raid, Alliance is killing Rastakan, which they have never met.
Zandalari trolls didn't burn Teldrassil or invade Darkshore, all this makes little sense to Alliance. It will make much more sense for Alliance to raid Orgrimmar than this.
IMO for entry raid it was both pretty cool and very well balanced encounter-wise with difficulty being just right.
The only real issue I can think of is G'huun being a complete management nightmare, I think Blizz have really overextended there and should take a notch back next time.
Eh, Taloc was boring, fetid was boring, vectis was annoying, zek could have been interesting but ended up just being a mild add encounter, Zul was just a glorified add encounter, mythrax was HORRIBLE for melee and g'huun, while interesting was a nightmare from a management perspective.
Mother was the only fight I liked, but even then if you were one of the first over, it was kind of boring.
you mean like they have done since vanilla wow...?
The hardest content gives the best gear, no big fucking surprise?
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she does not die, she escapes after holding the horde off long enough for the alliance to retreat.
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there is only 3 shared bosses.
the other 6 are faction specific, and you hear what hapepned by talking as an npc and they "explain" (You do the raid as the opposite faction) what happend while you were gone.
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you mean liek how most bosses in history are?
many bosses in every raid ever are people who just "show up" want examples?
The first 3 bosses in ICC
Professor, and his two.
The green gal
literally all of Uldluar other then the keepers.
need more?
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i think you forget the alliance fleet is also destroyed...
also this is the first time the ALLIANCE has raided THE HORDE.
last time it was alliance AND HORDE raiding GARROSH
also mekkatorque "dies"
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literally 3 have died, thats not even a third.
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no, they will be shortly after the raid, most likely the week or a week after the final lfr wing comes out.
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no we were not... they have literally been releasing raids awhile after the patch launch since like... late mop.
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yes if you want the tour guide mode, you need to wait longer...
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ok i know its hard to read or maybe hard to understand but
Horde:
Enter raid and battle 3 bosses
They then find out the alliance has raided the city and killed the king. they are told by an NPC how this happens
In gameplay you become alliance and "act out' the attack, killing the 3 bosses
You then fight back the alliance and fight the last alliance 3 bosses.
Alliance:
Enter raid and battle 3 bosses
They then fight the 3 horde bosses
they then retreat, and talk to a NPC who tells you what happened
In gameplay you become horde and "act out' the attack, killing the last 3 bosses
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kultiran did not flagship ally race.
there was 6 races, and zandalari was one, kultiran was not one of those.
we have the other 5, and an extra 1 right now.
also that was a typo, they meant tauren druids.
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i cant.. is this english? what are you talking about?
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they are retelling you the story and you are 'acting" as the other faction.
you arte not literally transforming, you are just being told the story, by acting out the raid.
if you want to cry, cry that all the way back in tbc and wotlk the caverns of time dungeons transformed you into alliance members as horde.
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2 warfronts
multiple zones where the faction is slaughtering the other factions members
invasions every 19 hours
new pvp incentives and questlines aswell as weekly quests
warmode
bounties
airdrops
pvp islands
literally the new fucking raid WHICH IS A GIANT FACTION WAR
3 horde, 3 alliance, 3 "shared" so.. its not really "why all alliance bosses" also a war is not 1 sided, both factions attack eachother.
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no, no they were not.
If you mean as in "the first coming post launch" this is not the middle of the expansion, 8.1.5 is not the middle
8.1
8.1.5<<<<<
8.2
8.2.5
8.3
8.3.5
also we are literally gunna be 6 months into a 2 year expansion... thats 1/4th, not 1/2
but no the advertised "confirmed in BFA' were zandalari and dark iron, but were just said to come sometime around launch, which then were maghar and dark iron, with zandalari and kultiran coming later. which well are coming very soon, most likely end of feb or very early march.
i remember bear tanks in wotlk having 120k hp.
man o man.
Also yeah no your "3k hp in mc" is bullshit.
at level 15 players had about 500hp
i would need to try to find my old screens... but they had much more then 3k hp.
MAYBE a mage.
Rogue in...
molten core, and they were one of the lower hp people, hes not that geared, and not at all buffed.
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nothey were not.
kultirans were not even a confirmed allied race until after BFA had launched.
NEVER were they advertised as launch.
we know kultirans and zandalari are coming in 8.1.5 and that is coming out soon...
they are not coming out end of expansion like you seem to be implying.
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remember back in TBC and wotlk when they did this? why didnt you complain then?
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ok i know its hard to read or maybe hard to understand but
Horde:
Enter raid and battle 3 bosses
They then find out the alliance has raided the city and killed the king. they are told by an NPC how this happens
In gameplay you become alliance and "act out' the attack, killing the 3 bosses
You then fight back the alliance and fight the last alliance 3 bosses.
Alliance:
Enter raid and battle 3 bosses
They then fight the 3 horde bosses
they then retreat, and talk to a NPC who tells you what happened
In gameplay you become horde and "act out' the attack, killing the last 3 bosses
Copied and pasted from explaining to another, you are not "fighting" them, you are being told what happened, that you could not witness by "acting" in the story.
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odd cause this was the first ilvl squish. so idk why you think they will also do ilvl squish every other expansion
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Horde:
Enter raid and battle 3 bosses
They then find out the alliance has raided the city and killed the king. they are told by an NPC how this happens
In gameplay you become alliance and "act out' the attack, killing the 3 bosses
You then fight back the alliance and fight the last alliance 3 bosses.
Alliance:
Enter raid and battle 3 bosses
They then fight the 3 horde bosses
they then retreat, and talk to a NPC who tells you what happened
In gameplay you become horde and "act out' the attack, killing the last 3 bosses
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yeah lets have a raid that forces people to level and gear up the opposite faction if they wish to experience it!
yeah no...
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it is... it is exactly how they explained it at blizzcon, and i dont think you understand what the raid itself acts like...
also they never said it would be two raids, they said there was going to be 2 raids, one being the raid, the other being a 2 boss one in stormsong, and there is.
they explained there will be 3 shared bosses with faction reskins
then there will be 3 horde bosses, and 3 alliance bosses, able to experiance the other factions through an npc.
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why would you boost an allied race? you cant get the heritage armor then...
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not how it works, alliance does not beat up their own leaders, they talk to an npc to see what happened, then "act out the story" as the other faction.
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how do you get loot from a flashback in tbc, wotlk, and cata?
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i find it funny you say "rastakan is a nobody to the horde" but then literally people in tyhese same posts cry about "another horde leader dying!"
there is still "world first" alliance or horde, doesent matter, yes there is "alliance first" and "horde first" but there is still "world first" so yes, it would have made alliance magorly in favor by having their easier bosses first, meaning more loot for them.
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a run of diremaul got you BWL level gear.
or a kill on a world boss did.
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its the nintendo problem.
"WE WANT INNOVATION"
nintendo releases a brand new mario with literally 1 new thing
people absolutly LOVE the game, but hate the 1 new thing
every year they buy the new mario.
also some call it the cod conundrum
"WE WANT INNOVATION"
*They release COD again, with literally no changes*
*Everyone buys the game*
WE WANT INNOVATION!
People say they want something new and cool, but then they scream and cry when they do.
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yeah no... you cant lock entire parts of a raid to a faction.
Rofl, no, just.... no diremaul gear was never close to BWL gear, DM wasn't even a level 60 instance. And world bosses had good gear yes, but they were also relatively rare and monopolized by the top guilds on the server, the vast majority of players never saw a tagged kill of a WB much less gear from it.
You would farm low level instances for niche, one off, resist gear, but it didn't mean it was BWL "level"
Alliance in cannon dont go to uldir, would you rather blizz have just said "Ok alliance uhh no raid for yall, gotta wait till 8.1... sorry we dont want yall killing uldir"
also the zandalari trolls have chosen to ally with the horde, and i think you forget that the zandalari have been fighting the alliance for a long, logn time.
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*Diremaul was not even a level 60 instance.*
lol guess you didn'to play vanilla buddy.
idk about you, but us actually vanilla players know some of the best gear till even late in vanilla was from low level dungeons.
This mother fucker right here, literally didnt replace till ZG
also idk about you, but afking in a warfront for 20 mins will not replace my mythic level gear.
I mean you are right but at this point it seems you are just debating with someone who is in the "WoW is flawless and in a perfect spot" crowd.
There WAS better Dungeon gear in Vanilla absolutely. But nowhere is it like the current game.
Getting 385 gear from a Warfront is stupid. It does not require the same amount of effort as a Mythic raid. Of course I'll go for it ofc because it's free gear.
You should NOT be getting current Mythic item level gear from something you can afk in. Period. It breaks natural gear progression. FF14 does it right imo. It lets Savage raid players get their gear first then people to get a similar item level later on.
Example being current Savage gear from 4.4 which was 3-4 months ago is 400/405. Right now people who don't raid Savage can get 390 gear or 380. And in the upcoming patch can upgrade that 390 gear to ilvl 400. However some raid pieces will still be superior due to stat weights.
Warfronts should be a guaranteed 355 at most for the initial quest and 340 for Stromgarde. And a guaranteed 385 for Darkshore quest WHEN the raid opens as that is the item level of Normal.
Now if Heroic Warfronts in 8.2 are as hard as they say then imo on par with HC raid gear. No doubt.
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now here is something funny that makes me laugh.
you seem to forget that molten core had its loot reworked later in vanilla.
that item had no where near that stats at the launch of molten core
for example teir 1 was literally absolute shit until it got fixed.
also did you know teir 2 dropped in molten core? yep. eventually got moved to black wing lair, only the legs being in molten core, and got buffed to compensate
also heroic uldir is not mythic uldir, so again i dont see your point.
i feel like your a person who calls LFR hardcore raiding maybe?