3+ Dead, bowling alley shooting in California.

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Jeez USA that took you a whole 4 days...

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Not a huge amount of intel out yet. but 3+ victims it looks like, single shooter. no idea on who.

Thoughts/prayers etc to the victims and their families.

fucking shame for this world.. we made it 4/5 days without a mass shooting in 2019.. get your shit together world.











https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-a4031136.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8712741.html

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ng/2489887002/

Don't lump in my country into your "world" comment. That shit is a US problem.

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They are a tiny part of the problem. The problem lies in the Wild West mentality a lot of Americans apparently have. Why does Europe and most of Asia not have a problem with 3rd world tier murder rates, even in countries where guns are easily accessible? Take Switzerland as an example, a country where everyone has a gun at home and there are hardly any shootings.

That's a good point. Maybe the problem isn't the guns, but Americans in general. For the same reason you don't let a toddler handle a knife, you shouldn't let Americans have access to guns.

[Rennadrel]

Why are you insisting on lying when the evidence is no more than a scroll up?

Show me the quote where he ''100% made that assumption". He was making a point of what number is high enough for people to start taking this problem seriously. You need better reading comprehension friend.

Speaking of reading comprehension, it can be taken either way, just so you know. Stop being a baby when you know that the post is poorly written to favor one viewpoint or another.

[exochaft]

just like the rest....avoid the question by trying to change the subject. I never said it would or could reach 20% i just asked whats the number? is any number OK until someone you love gets killed by an idiot with easy access to a gun. Once your MOM is killed, what number would be OK then?

If my mom was killed, it still wouldn't matter (and she would agree) as the amount of people murdered by guns in the US is ridiculously low, especially when compared to things like suicides, car accidents, diseases/illnesses, and drug overdosing as they dwarf gun violence deaths. Heck, you're five times more likely to be killed by a knife in the US than by 'assault weapons,' the term being is quite a misnomer in itself and thus covers quite a wide range of weapons. What also doesn't get covered is the amount of lives saved and crimes stopped by guns, which the federal government estimated to be between 500,000 and several million people a year in the US, which is an insurmountable number compared to actual deaths caused by guns. Also, the vast majority of gun ownership is in non-urban areas, where almost zero (or in many cases actually zero) gun violence of any type occurs... you have to go to urban areas where gun ownership is low or banned to see pretty much all of the gun violence in the US. The problem isn't legal gun ownership as they account for barely any gun violence, if there was even an actual problem with guns. Most of the gun violence is the result of non-legal gun ownership, which is partially why dealing with gun-running would be a more appropriate focus versus banning gun ownership of people who are responsible gun owners and don't commit crimes/violence with their guns (which is pretty much everyone). If you let emotion rule your actions, as is the bait with such a posed question, you're liable to make very silly decisions based off of incorrect assumptions.

I've mentioned it before, but it's worth mentioning again: having a gun, especially in such scenarios as this, isn't always the best choice as range matters. From a distance, guns outshine knives, but the further you are from the target the more likely you're going to miss, even at a decently close range. When you are roughly 7-8 feet from your target(s), a knife is generally going to win, even against a gun all things being equal, and a knife's efficacy skyrockets the closer you are to your targets. Also, another point that generally doesn't get talked about, knife violence is typically a lot more damaging than gun violence when discussing non-fatal cases (*edit* actually, even in fatal cases, it's the same), as the chances of someone getting injured in a knife fight are higher than in a gun fight. This is because the skill requirement is lower and ease of inflicting damage, fatal or non-fatal, of a knife is actually higher than a gun. This is all public record info from the federal government, as agencies actually keep track of such things, especially the FBI.

While I'm thinking of it, be careful when referencing some news stories talking about the amount of mass shootings, as the numbers can be conflated based upon definitions used and the narratives being pushed. For example, there was an FBI report analyzing gun violence a while back where the media took off with stating that the report showed massive increases in mass killings... however, when you looked at the report, they included a sizable amount of incidents where zero people were killed, as the media used two different terms interchangeably within the report. It's quite sneaky and very easy to slip by people who will never read sources and only believe what someone else will tell them.

[Themius]

Yeah, slightly better than 3rd world authoritarian hellholes and worse than literally everyone else.

Such an accomplishment.

Slightly better than "some" Some are actually better than us..

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As long as the American society as a whole views deadly gun violence as a valid problem solving strategy it will never get any better.

Americans think that they have the right to kill a home invader, not as a last resort thing but actually as the first and best method. Someone breaks down their door, they shoot to kill and feel that's totally as it should be. As long as even good law abiding citizens think killing is OK their criminals will even faster pull the trigger.

Actually Americans think they have a right to kill to protect property that is insured anyway.

For instance a man came out of his home and put himself in danger when a 16 year old boy was stealing his car, he didn't say anything but just shot him to death. He was celebrated as a hero.

[Mistame]

Keep the fucking gun debate in the gun thread.

[Themius]

Double digit number percent would be a huge deal, and yes then changes should be made. 2% not so much.

40k people died in car accidents, that's also a "small" number I guess safe driving isn't an issue.

[Acidz]

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Double digit number percent would be a huge deal, and yes then changes should be made. 2% not so much.

oh yeah!!! 2% would be 6 340 000 death. NOT SO MUCH .....

stop looking at it like it's just a number. it's actual people dying.

[PaladinBash]

Damn man you fuckers just can't wait to leap onto some murderous fuck and his sick shit to bitch about guns.

[prwraith]

Thoughts/prayers

I found waldo !

[Demasiados]

oh yeah!!! 2% would be 6 340 000 death. NOT SO MUCH .....

stop looking at it like it's just a number. it's actual people dying.

??????
i though the 2% meant out of total gun deaths, nothing to do with the population

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https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-p...s-r-1823016659

Always a fun headline.

???
Are you saying you can prevent all crime? The only way to do that would be´either kill everyone or redefine crime to someting unachievable.

[Kumorii]

???
Are you saying you can prevent all crime? The only way to do that would be´either kill everyone or redefine crime to someting unachievable.

No, I did not say that.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

I've mentioned it before, but it's worth mentioning again: having a gun, especially in such scenarios as this, isn't always the best choice as range matters. From a distance, guns outshine knives, but the further you are from the target the more likely you're going to miss, even at a decently close range. When you are roughly 7-8 feet from your target(s), a knife is generally going to win, even against a gun all things being equal, and a knife's efficacy skyrockets the closer you are to your targets. Also, another point that generally doesn't get talked about, knife violence is typically a lot more damaging than gun violence when discussing non-fatal cases (*edit* actually, even in fatal cases, it's the same), as the chances of someone getting injured in a knife fight are higher than in a gun fight. This is because the skill requirement is lower and ease of inflicting damage, fatal or non-fatal, of a knife is actually higher than a gun. This is all public record info from the federal government, as agencies actually keep track of such things, especially the FBI.

Are you saying that you're supposed to bring a knife to a gunfight?

[Demasiados]

Are you saying that you're supposed to bring a knife to a gunfight?

Then I guess the happy medium is throwing knives.

[Deleted]

What other western country have this many murders of innocent bystanders?

This epidemic is not about crime - it's about sick people trying to make statements.
Even gangsters/Mobsters know that if bystanders gets hurt, you fucked up.

Whether you like guns or not, I bet you can agree that they fall into the wrong hands to easily.

[Independent voter]

Three dead is a mass shooting?

[Rennadrel]

Are you saying that you're supposed to bring a knife to a gunfight?

Entirely depends on what you want to do. You can make someone bleed to death slowly by cutting open arteries, cut off their airflow by cutting their neck, prevent them from walking for months by slicing their ACL, there's a lot of ways to kill or hurt someone with a knife. You can shoot someone in the leg or shoulder and they won't die right away. Only a shot in the brain or heart will kill someone instantly. A knife can do a lot of different kinds of damage internally that a bullet won't because of velocity.

[Ahlae]

Slightly better than "some" Some are actually better than us..

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Actually Americans think they have a right to kill to protect property that is insured anyway.

For instance a man came out of his home and put himself in danger when a 16 year old boy was stealing his car, he didn't say anything but just shot him to death. He was celebrated as a hero.

Yep. Maybe not try and steal peoples shit and you won't get shot. Hard thinking.

[urasim]

Three dead is a mass shooting?

Depends on where you live. The US legal system count four or more to be a mass shooting. Other countries have it lower.

It also depends on who you're talking to... Some people are more radically left than others.