What is the OP advantage of Regeneratin'?

[The Anax]

Over on the American official WoW forums, I have watched a giant meltdown over the Zandalari racial. I have tried to reason with them, but since I do not see it currently OP at all, I have a question for both high end PvE and high end PvP players.

What would you give up for this easily defeated, very situational, racial ability?

In other words in your rated BG team or Mythic + teams, what class would become mandatorily Zandalari? Remember, if you make one of your teammates a Zanda, it means they lose whatever combat advantage they currently have for something that can be interrupted easily by anything from DoTs to a dagger thrown at them. It can't be used in stealth, and even to get back 25% health, they have to have a full second without taking any damage at all. So, where will this make a huge impact? What people in your teams are you going to require be a Zandalarian?

I am not asking for a debate of whether this is OP or not- the question is:

If you are a high end mythic raider or high end PvP player- WHAT WOULD YOU DEMAND IN YOUR GROUP NOW BE A ZANDALARIAN FOR THIS RACIAL. WHAT CURRENT RACE/CLASS COMBO YOU HAVE ON YOUR TEAM WOULD YOU REPLACE?

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[Toppy]

For PvP its overwhelmingly OP especcially for Rogues. Like how do you even have to explain that? It means you can't take your attention off the Zanda and if they get even a single tick of healing on them its major. And there are MANY ways to avoid damage for long enough to use it. Hunters with turtle? Hot damn.

Likewise you dont need the full effect. Even with a single tick its an incredibly powerful tool. In mythics timing when you can avoid damage isn't difficult and gives a breather for healers. In raids swing timer's are easy to understand. They likewise still have their other racial giving them a bonus so its not like anything is being lost here by not taking another race. Hell compare it to other heal racials, like gift of the naaru: which has a higher CD and heals for the same as one tick of regeneratin'.

It'll easily put them at the top for tanking. Its so clearly OP its disgusting. It is for all intents and purposes, an extra tank cooldown. And a good one.

[AngerFork]

Pretty much all of them.

Think about what that gives me. If my main tank has it and is out of cooldowns, I simply have an off tank (Druid with Guardian Affinity, etc) take the aggro while that other tank steps away. My healer doesn't have to heal that tank who is recovering cooldowns, they can stay on the off tank while the main tank takes 4 seconds for a resource-free full heal. Any DPS that doesn't have aggro, same thing. As a healer, that means I can better save my mana for spots where I need it.

This also is something that I can bubble through as a Pally and fully heal without risk of losing it. I also will have Lay on Hands as another full heal, meaning that I in essence can have three full life bars within a very short period of time if I want them on any character. With only a minute-and-a-half cooldown, I can use it over and over again...unlike the Draenei who have a 20% heal on a 3 minute cooldown.

I think a better question would be what racials wouldn't you give up for it. Rocket Boots/Shot? Quaking Palm and it's 2 second stun? AoE stun that can easily be interrupted? AoE attack bubble? Random ancestor buff I can't control? Charge that will likely put me in another pack? 15-second attack power boost? 12 second haste boost? A free full heal every 1.5 minutes if I can just keep from getting hit for four seconds sounds a ton better than any of those.

Maybe the one time fear/sleep immunity or the AoE interrupt that gives me resources, but even those are so situational. This free full heal every 1.5 minutes...there's always a good way to use it in M+, Raiding, and PvP.

[Soon-TM]

Well, the thing is supposed to not work in instanced content afaik. Now, if it would, it would be broken OP.

[The Anax]

So, like you said, you'd want to focus on the Zandalarian rogue in PvP. Of course, since regeneratin' can't be used in stealth, so, how is it any different than getting out of combat by vanishing and then running off to eat? Witha single tick how is it any different than drinking a potion?

So, you did not answer the main question though, if you say this will benefit tanks, what tanks that the Horde is using right now will the require be replaced by a Zandalarian?

[Toppy]

So, like you said, you'd want to focus on the Zandalarian rogue in PvP. Of course, since regeneratin' can't be used in stealth, so, how is it any different than getting out of combat by vanishing and then running off to eat? Witha single tick how is it any different than drinking a potion?

So, you did not answer the main question though, if you say this will benefit tanks, what tanks that the Horde is using right now will the require be replaced by a Zandalarian?

Its ok to admit you just want their racial to be OP. You dont have to keep being purposefully dense.

[The Anax]

Well, the thing is supposed to not work in instanced content afaik. Now, if it would, it would be broken OP.

How? What class would you demand be a Zandalarian in your instanced group? What current combat racials would you demand losing in order to gain regeneratin'?

[Irian]

Bubble + racial is going to be pretty massive. And while yes there are situations where it won't be able to be used, having a full heal on a 1.5 minute CD and a 4 second channel is insanely versatile and good. Any time you're not taking damage you can full heal yourself, which is a lot of times.

Honestly it's just too strong for a bonus racial effect on top of another. Cutting it in half to be 12% per second would be a much more reasonable effect for a racial considering the Forsaken's Cannibalize racial. Saying that not taking damage for 4 seconds is reason enough to allow a race to be able to heal to maximum HP is absurd and I don't think I need to explain why. I will genuinely think Blizzard has lost their minds if it goes live as it is.

[The Anax]

Its ok to admit you just want their racial to be OP. You dont have to keep being purposefully dense.

I am not being dense, and do not try to flip this, I am legit asking you a question and you just attack me?

[MisterBigglez]

Just don't take damage, then it's shit /s

[Aoyi]

Its 100% of your hp gained over 4 seconds in the initial PTR form. Even if you only get 1 tick of it off before its interrupted, that's still 5% better than Gift of the Naaru in 20% of the time on half the cooldown. You could use it after just about every pack of trash in a mythic plus. In PVP you could stun your opponent and be healed fully quite easily, though even 1 or 2 ticks would be a boost in a close match. They are talking about making a stun interrupt it, which will help, but it is still a little OP if it remains 100% over 4 seconds.

[The Anax]

Bubble + racial is going to be pretty massive. And while yes there are situations where it won't be able to be used, having a full heal on a 1.5 minute CD and a 4 second channel is insanely versatile and good. Any time you're not taking damage you can full heal yourself, which is a lot of times.

Honestly it's just too strong for a bonus racial effect on top of another. Cutting it in half to be 12% per second would be a much more reasonable effect for a racial considering the Forsaken's Cannibalize racial. Saying that not taking damage for 4 seconds is reason enough to allow a race to be able to heal to maximum HP is absurd and I don't think I need to explain why. I will genuinely think Blizzard has lost their minds if it goes live as it is.

Ok, so, no one is actually answering the question.

[Popastique]

Over on the American official WoW forums, I have watched a giant meltdown over the Zandalari racial. I have tried to reason with them, but since I do not see it currently OP at all, I have a question for both high end PvE and high end PvP players.

What would you give up for this easily defeated, very situational, racial ability?

In other words in your rated BG team or Mythic + teams, what class would become mandatorily Zandalari? Remember, if you make one of your teammates a Zanda, it means they lose whatever combat advantage they currently have for something that can be interrupted easily by anything from DoTs to a dagger thrown at them. It can't be used in stealth, and even to get back 25% health, they have to have a full second without taking any damage at all. So, where will this make a huge impact? What people in your teams are you going to require be a Zandalarian?

Any raid encounter where you receive enormous amount of damage and then have a free-damage window so you can use it to heal yourself and save your healers a ton of mana.

[Irian]

Ok, so, no one is actually answering the question.

That's because if you seriously need people to tell you why a channeled 100% heal over 4 seconds is broken enough to make people race change then you're a lost cause.

[The Anax]

That's because if you seriously need people to tell you why a channeled 100% heal over 4 seconds is broken enough to make people race change then you're a lost cause.

No, I am not. You can't answer the question because the truth is that you have nothing.

[Segus1992]

Over on the American official WoW forums, I have watched a giant meltdown over the Zandalari racial. I have tried to reason with them, but since I do not see it currently OP at all, I have a question for both high end PvE and high end PvP players.

What would you give up for this easily defeated, very situational, racial ability?

In other words in your rated BG team or Mythic + teams, what class would become mandatorily Zandalari? Remember, if you make one of your teammates a Zanda, it means they lose whatever combat advantage they currently have for something that can be interrupted easily by anything from DoTs to a dagger thrown at them. It can't be used in stealth, and even to get back 25% health, they have to have a full second without taking any damage at all. So, where will this make a huge impact? What people in your teams are you going to require be a Zandalarian?

I am not asking for a debate of whether this is OP or not- they question is:

If you are a high end mythic raider or high end PvP player- WHAT WOULD YOU DEMAND IN YOUR GROUP NOW BE A ZANDALARIAN FOR THIS RACIAL. WHAT CURRENT RACE/CLASS COMBO YOU HAVE ON YOUR TEAM WOULD YOU REPLACE.

You can't honestly be serious about this, this racial would literally be the best racial in the game for everyone. It's the highest single target HPS spell in the game, usable by any Zandalari, on a relatively short CD. It's not going to stay this way, why even argue?

[Beerbill Society]

It is OP as fuck, and people act like it's ok WTF

That shit is a racial not the 120 talent spell.

Most racials are stupidly weak and people are already complaining about lack of balance between alliance and horde on that matter.

You really want to claim 100% healing over 4 seconds is not op?

[The Anax]

You can't honestly be serious about this, this racial would literally be the best racial in the game for everyone. It's the highest single target HPS spell in the game, usable by any Zandalari, on a relatively short CD. It's not going to stay this way, why even argue?

I am not arguing whther or not it is OP. Answer the question I asked.

[LuminaL]

So, like you said, you'd want to focus on the Zandalarian rogue in PvP. Of course, since regeneratin' can't be used in stealth, so, how is it any different than getting out of combat by vanishing and then running off to eat? Witha single tick how is it any different than drinking a potion?

So, you did not answer the main question though, if you say this will benefit tanks, what tanks that the Horde is using right now will the require be replaced by a Zandalarian?

its not even only horde tanks that will be asked to change to zandalari, its whole alliance guilds that will change to horde for that.
while the kul tiran stun is good, it has 1 sec cast and can be easily interrupted, also its much more limited overall; and why would you want 10% swimming speed and half assed 2% dmg reduction ( you cant really heal 2% of that damage which killed you can you? )

[Khaza-R]

You can't honestly be serious about this, this racial would literally be the best racial in the game for everyone. It's the highest single target HPS spell in the game, usable by any Zandalari, on a relatively short CD. It's not going to stay this way, why even argue?

U dudn't anwser teh questiosn!!221112

Not OP!!!