Degraded Alliance Enlistment Bonus

[Falynn1]

They should just flat out remove the bonus from everyone, that way only the people who enjoy PvP and want to PvP for PvP's sake will do so.

this, 100%

[Bhorin]

No, Horde has changed it because Horde does NOT spawn camp places in raid groups for a fucking quest. They do Wpvp more organically in WQ's/etc. Today alone, I was doing the incursion of vol'dun, and alliance spawn camped people who would finish the incursion and spawn at a specific point with 20 ally's. I liked it a lot when there were big fights between horde/alliance for the bounties in BfA's first few months than the shit fiesta it is now. And no, I don't turn off pvp, cause destruction + cds + focused chaos = 2 shot even tanks, so if I have some hordes to keep allies busy, I can take down 10 enemies in 20 seconds seriously. Alone I can take 2-3 on.

So horde has turned it off because the 10% is not worth the amount of retarded griefing. Alliance had it turned off because the majority is afraid of pvp with hordes, leading to quite often an overwhelming opposition from Horde.

Yeah, horde does it for kicks instead. So much more noble than doing it for an item.

Stop playing victim when Horde has done all expansion just as the Alliance has this past week.

[prwraith]

Seriously this just incentivizes one side to turn it off en masse each week.

Who comes up with this shit, does anyone at blizzard even pause to think.

[Nnyco]

Good riddance that quest is gone, all it made was alliance farm fp/wq places in a raid. Nothin PvP about that.

[netherflame]

While you may be quite confident in your statement, you are quite incorrect.

Ion, in the interview said ilvl 400 was too high, at least for now. And on Twitter today they clearly say the gear rewarding quest is still in, it just won't pop unless the bonus is 20% or more. And, in fact, the quest was there for the first 30-45 minutes of the servers being up ... the reward for those who got it was an ilvl 385 piece.

The game doesn't need more gear rewards, give resources or azurite.

[Donald Hellscream]

Oh well I guess no good thing lasts forever.. Atleast ilvl 385 is still an upgrade for me since I mainswapped from my hunter to my still at the time 110 death knight a couple of weeks before Battle for Dazar'alor opened.

[Soon-TM]

Bonus XP for WM on is ok in my book, bonus gold/resources/whatever is not, least of all top notch gear. They could add some honour points and/or appropriate level PvP pieces for levelling with WM on, though.

[Prostatus911]

I just wish they would change the requirement to go to Stormwind to toggle warmode. Go back to how it used to be where you could toggle PvP on the spot and be flagged for PvP while it's on, and when you turn it off you would be flagged for 5 or 10 mins, I forget which it was.

[Mauzi92]

You can turn off warmode while being dead.

[Marrilaife]

i 100% agree alliance players will turn it off in protest

Horde was supposed to turn off wm "in protest" en masse when 8.1 hit and they got less bonus than alliance. Didn't happen. There are no "protests" rather tons of people who don't care about wpvp they were just lured to do it last week due to extremely lucrative reward. Which btw cannot be obtained by "camping in a raid group" as that was disabled week 2 of 8.1.

[Kreo]

Turned off for my alts, keeping it on 100% on the main, honestly world is way more fun this way, plus free conquest from assaults.

[therealbowser]

People who love pvp? Isn't that the ultimate answer? Enable pvp if you like pvp, and disable it if you don't.

Sounds like the only people who would have PvP on are the people who want to grief. People already abuse war mode to escape any kind of fight they don't want to be in. The only reason people would have warmode on while leveling is to be on empty worlds at that point.

But I mean hey, I'm all for it. I want Blizzard to do this for a week or two so people can understand how bad of an idea this is.

As for endgame, the only reason people turn it on is because:

a. They want to PvP/grief players
b. They want armor rewards.

The +10/15/30/watever% bonus is almost irrelevant except for experience boosts, and largely speaking if you level with war mode on, almost everyone you run across will be avoiding other players anyways.

[tacoloco]

alliance will cry.
literally happened 2 months ago

Is this any different that horde players whining and moaning about it?

[therealbowser]

On topic, this doesn't surprise me. I don't know if they did this because they honestly feel numbers have stabilized (I don't, lol), but I don't think they are doing it because of Horde outcries. If they are, then Blizzard fully deserves the shit people are slinging at them at this point.

War Mode in and of itself is a good idea because it allows players to not be trapped into PvPing or not PvPing based off of server type, but people are not going to turn on PvP while leveing if they don't have to. What's the point? Who wants to be intentionally griefed while leveling? Frankly the bonus doesn't even necessarily make up for the risk to begin with, but it's at least something. It's not like players run across other leveling Horde players and fight them for fun. It's a flawed system that requires an incentive to actually level up with it turned on.

All of this said, degrading the bonus is primarily going to affect endgame. The people who were using it for leveling will largely continue to do so with a +15% bonus... or a +10% bonus. Because they are the type of people that think any kind of bonus is worth the trouble, really. And that's fine.

Guess we'll see how the Alliance actually reacts in a week or two.

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Is this any different that horde players whining and moaning about it?

No, obviously Horde players are faultless and are always the victims. Just ask Sylvanas's fan club.

Not that all Horde players are this way, or all Alliance players are perfect (not even hardly, lol). I'm just saying, the whole situation is asinine but it's going to be the Alliance who actually have to deal with shit. It's far more reasonable to argue "I am being camped constantly as Alliance, war mode isn't worth it" versus "I'm jealous that the Alliance has shinier rewards than I do "

[rohoz]

On topic, this doesn't surprise me. I don't know if they did this because they honestly feel numbers have stabilized (I don't, lol), but I don't think they are doing it because of Horde outcries. If they are, then Blizzard fully deserves the shit people are slinging at them at this point.

War Mode in and of itself is a good idea because it allows players to not be trapped into PvPing or not PvPing based off of server type, but people are not going to turn on PvP while leveing if they don't have to. What's the point? Who wants to be intentionally griefed while leveling? Frankly the bonus doesn't even necessarily make up for the risk to begin with, but it's at least something. It's not like players run across other leveling Horde players and fight them for fun. It's a flawed system that requires an incentive to actually level up with it turned on.

All of this said, degrading the bonus is primarily going to affect endgame. The people who were using it for leveling will largely continue to do so with a +15% bonus... or a +10% bonus. Because they are the type of people that think any kind of bonus is worth the trouble, really. And that's fine.

Guess we'll see how the Alliance actually reacts in a week or two.

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No, obviously Horde players are faultless and are always the victims. Just ask Sylvanas's fan club.

Not that all Horde players are this way, or all Alliance players are perfect (not even hardly, lol). I'm just saying, the whole situation is asinine but it's going to be the Alliance who actually have to deal with shit. It's far more reasonable to argue "I am being camped constantly as Alliance, war mode isn't worth it" versus "I'm jealous that the Alliance has shinier rewards than I do "

again, it's more like "I have war mode on solely for the rewards and I don't want to fight horde so I'll complain" vs "they are rewarded heroic raid loot for camping flightpaths, that's horseshit"

But if we're bringing lollore into it, the war started when greymane chased sylvanas all over stormheim over a personal grudge.

I mean OBVIOUSLY alliance kids won't ever remember that but, you know, always victims

[niil945]

Good riddance that quest is gone, all it made was alliance farm fp/wq places in a raid. Nothin PvP about that.

You mean the quest that couldn't be completed in a raid? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[kamuimac]

Seriously this just incentivizes one side to turn it off en masse each week.

Who comes up with this shit, does anyone at blizzard even pause to think.

they dont

this system is like cancer - they should just scrap all rewards from it

and about % bonus ? if they think their content sucks that much that people need those bonuses just nerf this shit by 30% baseline.

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Guess we'll see how the Alliance actually reacts in a week or two.

and how the f... do you think they will behave

you dont really need to be a sherlock to know that 100% of allience will turn it off hoping for 400 itlv loot to come back

shit system is shit

[siskokid21]

Unsubbed and requested a refund on my subscription fee.

I'm sorry your time has come to an end in regards to camping flight paths and turtle WQs, maybe in a few weeks when you get 20-30% back you'll be back to Call of Duty tactics?

[Whitedragon]

Why can't you noober blue bois just play on war mode for 15% bonus? Like seriously, your faction needs a 100% xp/rewards buff and 480 ilvl gear to stop chickening out.

Because World PvP isn't fun, never really has been since they added a much more ideal form of PvP with BG's. I need to be bribed/payed well to do something that I don't like, and I guess we found out my price is peace of free phat loot, because I honestly don't give a dam about the %.

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I'm sorry your time has come to an end in regards to camping flight paths and turtle WQs, maybe in a few weeks when you get 20-30% back you'll be back to Call of Duty tactics?

Yup now it's back to the Horde doing it for 1-3 weeks, then back to Alliance. Funny enough I guess they did somewhat balance it, even if it's balanced around the lowest common denominator... lol

[Super Kami Dende]

Good lord, the amount of butthurt over the War Mode bonuses in extreme even for this pathetic community.