I guess this summarize my main issue.
I always give a leader at least one chance for Screw up. It can happen to anyone. I was willing to put a blind eye on Cataclysm stuff so long as t his phase will be over.
And sorry Baine isn't supposed to be THAT YOUNG. He appeared in Vanilla, even if he would be 5 years old by that time. He should be around 30 by now.
Vol'Jin was ~ 17 when he became a chieftain of the Darkspear tribe, and he was far more reasonable than that.
I think the biggest issue I have with him that he is far more concerned over Alliance than he is over his own people, I'm not even saying Horde, but tauren at the very least she be the most important to him. And as Malw already pointed out - his peacepreaching and inactivenes is at times just idiotic.
The biggest insult was contacting with Alliance right after siege of Zuldazar. Nice backstabbing Talanji you just did Baine and that is second time in a very short period.
I hope she will rip off those horns from your scull.Because there is difference in defying Warchief orders and collaborating with enemies.
At the very least he should've release Derek and leave it in neutral spot.
I miss Mists of Pandaria
If you think that supporting Sylvanas isn't setting up your people to get killed then you better prepare for a wild ride.
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A child could understand the current horde. Its really funny because I doubt most of the people in this thread with your viewpoint even understood Thrall's Horde.
The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
You don't jump from a sinking ship into a shark's open mouth(Baine in this scenario).
Whats funny is all of your 10 posts are just you openly favoring the alliance, yet you voted on this poll for Horde voters and not Alliance voters.
By voting for Baine and whining about the Horde existing, you're only proving the point that its almost entirely Alliance players voting for Baine in a poll meant for Horde voters.
"People who don't agree with my choice shouldn't vote in the poll." I'm not sure you have a solid grasp on how polls work or what they are for.
then you understand my point perfectly.
The problem is that you cant be horde and be a good guy. If baine is to be beloved by the horde then he needs to fucking BE horde, good writing would allow baine to exist in all his moral glory without conceding everything to the alliance and be able to stand up for himself. The bullshit about tauren pacifism needs to go, they have warriors, no pacifist culture has warrior as a profession.
We are 7 expansions deep and over a decade of the horde having an identity, it doesnt need another reimagining
Now you're just making things up. The topic says answer from a Horde perspective which guess what I have because I play both factions. It doesn't say only respond if you have x hours played horde, or you're not allowed to respond if you don't have more characters on one side or the other.