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  1. #101
    Warriors never good kekw




    Of all melee Warriors are about the most stable and usually by last patch are also most powerful of all or at least up there at the top with at least one spec.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    As I've sat here for half an hour being declined by every m+ group even though I have more than enough experience, I find myself thinking about warriors. I've only played one since cata but in my personal view, and it might be very wrong, that warrs are never great. If memory serves me well, they're usually not bad, but have they ever been a class you actually want to see? We bring nothing of real value that other classes bring.

    While I'm ranting about warrs, it also seems like other classes, those that always seem to be good, locks and rogues etc, are always allowed to stay at the top, and whenever warriors look like they might be worth considering, Blizzard descends on them because no fun is allowed.
    And currently:

    - Classic WoW:
    -- Best Tank - Warrior
    -- Best DPS - Warrior

    - Retail WoW:
    -- Best M+ Tank - Warrior
    -- Top Raid Melee DPS - Warrior
    -- #2 Raid Melee DPS - Other Warrior
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  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by LazyCoding View Post
    Well, there was no N'Zoth by the time I wrote that post. Arms is good now since 8.3 launched. Because it scales very good (probably a little too good) with the current ToM+Lucid+Anger Management setup. The gap between ToM window and the next CS window is getting shorter every day as you get better gear especially more haste. During Heroism and/or Execute these 2 windows actually overlap. So your execute can have both 30% CS AND nearly 100% ToM buff same time. Which are multiplicative buffs. Then it hits like 90k non-crit.
    Mastery scaling (among other things) also makes it killer in M+ with Cleave. Arms is very, very stronk right now.

    I'm still playing Fury as I find it much more enjoyable. Other Warrior in my guild has switched if only to test and says it plays better than in Uldir thanks to Lucid Dreams and vastly better Haste, so I might give it a spin at some point still.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Mastery scaling (among other things) also makes it killer in M+ with Cleave. Arms is very, very stronk right now.

    I'm still playing Fury as I find it much more enjoyable. Other Warrior in my guild has switched if only to test and says it plays better than in Uldir thanks to Lucid Dreams and vastly better Haste, so I might give it a spin at some point still.
    Cleave is not easy to make it work. It requires a certain pulling strategy. Meaning the tank must be aware of your talent choice.
    If it is low and/or tyranical key mobs don't live long for DW to do damage. If it is high fortified key then the tank often pulls less than 3 mobs.
    I have tried Cleave few times in pugs and barely pressed it Most of time either my BS is up or there are less than 3 mobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    They gutted windfury and sword spec. Then they introduced Stormherald. Stormherald would proc like a 3 second stun but they didn't gut mace specialization, which stacked with the stun. So all through TBC warriors dominated again. Then they introduced Bladestorm and beastcleave came.
    In the day, Bladestorm and Cleave stacked. Add in having Shadowmourne and hilarity ensued, followed by a solid whack with the nerf bat.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    As I've sat here for half an hour being declined by every m+ group even though I have more than enough experience, I find myself thinking about warriors. I've only played one since cata but in my personal view, and it might be very wrong, that warrs are never great. If memory serves me well, they're usually not bad, but have they ever been a class you actually want to see? We bring nothing of real value that other classes bring.
    Play tank. Warrior Tanks haven't been bad by any means this expansion.

    Or hell just improve your IO because you could definitely do worse than Fury: 5th most taken DPS, 3rd most taken melee (behind Outlaw and Havoc which are both outliers anyway).

    Also you're definitely wrong about "wars are never great". They are top in both tank and DPS in Classic and they've rarely ever been a bad class for both roles. At worst, they're middle of the pack at times, but never have all 3 specs been bottom IIRC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    While I'm ranting about warrs, it also seems like other classes, those that always seem to be good, locks and rogues etc, are always allowed to stay at the top, and whenever warriors look like they might be worth considering, Blizzard descends on them because no fun is allowed.
    Rogues? Yeah, but we're also a pure. Pures are generally good. Warlocks however, nah they fluctuate like crazy, and right now, they're a mediocre M+ class.

    I'm gonna chalk this up to "My IO is bad and I'm sad I'm not accepted to groups so I'm just gonna assume it's my class" syndrome. It's okay, it happened to me too in Season 1, then I stopped complaining and boosted my IO. Now I'm accepted to pretty much every group I click.
    Still wondering why I play this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    As I've sat here for half an hour being declined by every m+ group even though I have more than enough experience, I find myself thinking about warriors. I've only played one since cata but in my personal view, and it might be very wrong, that warrs are never great. If memory serves me well, they're usually not bad, but have they ever been a class you actually want to see? We bring nothing of real value that other classes bring.

    While I'm ranting about warrs, it also seems like other classes, those that always seem to be good, locks and rogues etc, are always allowed to stay at the top, and whenever warriors look like they might be worth considering, Blizzard descends on them because no fun is allowed.
    Heh this thread shocked me until I read your post. You said you didn’t start until Cata which is funny because that was the final expansion where warriors were great. In vanilla, TBC, and wrath though they were gods among men. The true reason they started to go down though was all the nerfs to how they play. Originally with the way rage was designed we started slow in an expansion but then became fucking machines. Heroic strike was an ability that helped with this.

    There used to be two things you could count on. Warriors were always godly and hunters would never be top dogs. I haven’t played hardcore the last two expansions but my guess is the later is still a fact.

  8. #108
    warriors used to be ass at the beginning of expansions but then become gods by the end game. in pvp they would get more rage (in tbc i think) if they had more armor pen so with each arena season they would get a little bit more and that does add up over time. these days usually its one spec (out of all) that are bad, not an entire class.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Warriors never good kekw




    Of all melee Warriors are about the most stable and usually by last patch are also most powerful of all or at least up there at the top with at least one spec.
    While I agree that warriors are often good and right now are strong choices, using the total of all the fights to show what is strong is a bad option. There are plenty of times that a spec can cheese 1 fight and it blows those numbers out of the water or you get classes sand bagging numbers putting damage into things that don't need to die or aren't really taking damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    As I've sat here for half an hour being declined by every m+ group even though I have more than enough experience, I find myself thinking about warriors. I've only played one since cata but in my personal view, and it might be very wrong, that warrs are never great. If memory serves me well, they're usually not bad, but have they ever been a class you actually want to see? We bring nothing of real value that other classes bring.

    While I'm ranting about warrs, it also seems like other classes, those that always seem to be good, locks and rogues etc, are always allowed to stay at the top, and whenever warriors look like they might be worth considering, Blizzard descends on them because no fun is allowed.
    For mythic plus there are better dps options depending on what you are trying to do. You are also assuming you are being declined based on your class alone, depending one what ppl are running they might want a certain buff, armor type, cc, or dozens of other things, maybe they already have a warrior in the group and don't want 2 who knows. If you play Alliance it is also significantly harder to find groups since you have less people doing them above 10. I have freequently been declined from groups with a 2k+ IO score on characters that are mythic raid geared and are strong in mythic plus, it happens to all of us. If you don't want to wait make your own group or join one just forming. Almost every server has it's own discord, there are plenty of mythic + discords, find ppl and run with them. If you leave it up to random ppl to randomly pick somebody you could be stuck waiting forever. Do well in keys and ppl will keep asking you to run with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polarthief View Post
    Play tank. Warrior Tanks haven't been bad by any means this expansion.

    Or hell just improve your IO because you could definitely do worse than Fury: 5th most taken DPS, 3rd most taken melee (behind Outlaw and Havoc which are both outliers anyway).

    Also you're definitely wrong about "wars are never great". They are top in both tank and DPS in Classic and they've rarely ever been a bad class for both roles. At worst, they're middle of the pack at times, but never have all 3 specs been bottom IIRC.



    Rogues? Yeah, but we're also a pure. Pures are generally good. Warlocks however, nah they fluctuate like crazy, and right now, they're a mediocre M+ class.

    I'm gonna chalk this up to "My IO is bad and I'm sad I'm not accepted to groups so I'm just gonna assume it's my class" syndrome. It's okay, it happened to me too in Season 1, then I stopped complaining and boosted my IO. Now I'm accepted to pretty much every group I click.
    If they are upset about not getting into groups I doubt the 20+ brackets numbers apply to them.
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