The main issue is why now bring a Warrior to m+?
Tanks with the nerf what will they bring?
You can bring a Dk with mass pull and great self heal and that can control undead, Monk still top dog for tanking damage with great movement and a good toolkit, druids with the buff might became really good and same with DH.
Now dps wise why bring a warrior??? Can anyone tell me why?
*irony on* due to our battle shout *irony off*
I think prot warrior is pretty sturdy, this may be a reason. But yes, i do agree. This wont be a reason to bring a prot warrior instead a tank with more utility. I would be very surprised if blizzard recognize this and give us some utility. Just expect to see less prot warriors in high m+. I personally doesnt care, i'm not playing MDI and barely tanking in rnd groups.
The issue is for m+ if you are a Warrior and want to do some key you have to go tank or just get declined to oblivion cuz they wont invite DPS warriors.
And the DPS specs got 0 attencion.
Warrior DPS fury is middle pack for damage and Arms well does not even exist for mythic +, so why take them when you have other classes that outdps you with a greater toolkit.
So meele classes will be DH, UH DK and Rogues.
Exactly. GJ to Blizzard for balancing the game. People who thinks it is okay for a tank to do 100+ k dps on an AOE fight are crazy. The nerf to prot is completely reasonable.
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And you cry and scream everytime Warriors are not on the top. Get real.
So first, 100k dps is not usual and simply peaks. Show me 1 dungeon/encounter where a prot warrior do this overall. Starting a discussion with "cherry picking" is not very professional.
But i do agree, its not a good job to do a balacing where prot warriors have to expect to deal dmg like a dps because not having any other utility. Every (not single minded) prot warrior will agree that we do alot overall dps (even its not near 100k) and this nerf is reasonable. But we also agree this is the only advantage we bring against other tank classes, aren't we? So, instead of coming into warrior-channel and posting some non-helping stuff you could provide your POV why taking a prot warrior and just simply skip this "whining" - discuission. Wouldn't that be a better way?
Couldn't aggree more. It's the same as people complaining at Unholy DK doing 500k+ dps, they do it under specific conditions and if you don't meet those conditions you wont take advantage of it.
Sure as a prot I can burst 170k+ specially in Motherlode's reaping packs on 17+ keys, but if i couldn't do that what would I be bringing to the group? Self heals? nop... extra interrupts? nop.... control over mobs/pulls? nop....
Oh yes we have shield block - which feels awesome tanking the Tree Boss in Waycrest for 40 stacks in 15's... but what does it serve me if when I'm doing 18's+ with tyrannical i still have to do mechanics like other tanks?
With all this whining for warriors being good at something for 1 season out of 2 expansions you would expect that when you look at Rio you would see 90% of tanks being Warriors in 20's+ keys, but guess what? No! it's only 53.4%, and on top of that last week we had the highest key done, a TD 25 with a Prot Paladin and not a warrior :O
All this not an excuse for not balancing the game.
“Big AOE pulls” is not a very specific situation. It’s happens alot throughout dungeons given you play well. No one should be able to pull the numbers that Unholy is doing right now. Unholy AOE will be nerfed soon and it will be completely justified just like the Prot warrior nerf is.
You are the ones crying, whining and complaining.
Same outrage as always. Op stuff gets nerfed and people who don't care about balance whines.
It is a very specific situation because it's the seasonal affix that promotes that gameplay. Are you living under a rock? xD In 8.2 with the new affix this will go away by itself specially if they do a more single target focused affix like they said they want to.
I'm not crying, I can have all tanks like I have all expansions, I'm just tired of being forced into Blood DK fotm and for once it's justified to play something else. Like it's super easy to put all other of my tanks to same low rio as my warrior (~2.1k).
The only think I'm saying is instead of Blizzard caving into the MDI meta outcry, which people don't seem to understand that is like that because it's all about time and not completion and when it comes to that all the little details mater to a point that the average player can't even capitalize on it, they should just wait for S3, lunch the affix and THEN see if there is anything dominating over the rest to balance it out.
Couldn't come sooner, they forgot to add the rdruid nerfs as well.
That thinking is what gets us to this place, that short sighted ''end of story'' kind of comment sounds exactly like blizzard devs and why people hate how shit the game got to be.
It's the ''hey lets nerf things right now even tho the game is going to be totally different when the nerfs actually come'' it's just retarded. If these changes would come now, i would understand. But they don't.
Btw, nerfing unholy dks is even more retarded. 90% of the playerbase can't capitalize on it and even the ones who can only do it on specific dungeons/weeks that is why there are only 51 unholy dks in the entire world that did 20+ in time. You have more Retri palas and Assas rogues that did 20+ in time, should they be nerfed?
Probably they gonna do that. Doesn't really matter if you can hit 20 or 10 targets. As already stated, its not something why you pick UH DK. As prot warrior it is. Look, i think noone says AE dps isn't too high. We say this is the only reson to bring a prot warrior. Is it justified to nerf AE dmg? - Probably yes. Is it fair/adequate? - Probably not. Or do you think is it fair/adequate? If yes, well its okay, nothing wrong to see this clearly black/white. But there wil be a lot to fix then. Classhomogenization inc.?
I think some ppl here are just not getting the picture, Warrior tank dps is OP for trash, it is but it's the only think a Warrior tank bring to a mythic +
Battle Shout, you have scrolls. RCry it will help on bosses more then anything else, on big pulls it will just prolong the death of the party most of the times.
As for the DPS specs for Warrior it's the same outside that we have near to no utility, no AOE stun and if we want a Single target stun you will lose mobility.
Arms as burst but outside that 0. Lower midd table dps and bad AOE.
Fury no burst, Midd table dps and Midd table AOE. Near 0 utility.
Of course the DPS as prot needed a rework i just hope it's not a nerf to kill the class in mythic +.