Houston Police Engineer Fatal Shooting of Couple

[McFuu]

You're allowed to use lethal force against police on your property in the USA/Texas?

The short answer... it depends.

The slightly longer answer, if the police properly identify themselves, no. The depends part comes down to what exactly the police are doing and if it's legal. In this instance, regardless of warrant being legal, a no-knock raid by plain clothed police is going to lean more to the self-defense side. Many states have been outlawing no-knock raids for this very reason. And really and 60 year old couple with a glock isn't a reasonable reason for a no-knock.

Self-defense against police is extremely sticky, mainly it comes down to if the person knew they were police you pretty much can't claim self-defense at all, some states have even made it completely illegal to resist in anyway... So even if the reason for the stop/arrest is found to be unlawful, non-compliance is illegal and you will be charged just with that alone. In other states, it takes pretty extreme (illegal or life threatening) actions by the police to be able to claim self-defense against them, and no-knock raids are at the top of that extreme actions list.

[Scathbais]

Yep when racism is allowed to be fostered to the point that a human being based on their skin color, gender or orientation can be reduced to the point where their basic rights, are viewed as a privilege.

This is the kind of shit you get, along with people justifying it.

Except both victims were WHITE!
Nice try though.

[Revi]

Cops being so eager for no-knock warrants in a country with a culture for armed home defense seems poorly thought out.

[Scathbais]

BlackLivesMatter. Fuck these kkk members with badges.

A little actual effort before crying racism would be appreciated.

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You're allowed to use lethal force against police on your property in the USA/Texas?

If the police don't announce themselves, than any reasonable person would use lethal force to defend themselves.

[Revi]

So you stand outside like idiots while they take cover and shoot you one by one? Lol.

But why is forcing an armed confrontation the first step these cops try? Just reeks of shitty training and an itching to shoot people.

[AcidicSyn]

The officer is going to go down for this one. I wouldn’t be surprised if the police chief takes a tumble on this one too.

This happened three weeks ago. I’m kind of surprised it is just now making the MMOC Gen-OT news.

Victims were white. If they can't play the race-bait game it's not news I guess?

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A little actual effort before crying racism would be appreciated.

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If the police don't announce themselves, than any reasonable person would use lethal force to defend themselves.

This pretty much.

If I am in my house relaxing after work having a smoke with my wife and a group of armed people break into my house and shoot my dog I frankly doubt my brain would even attempt to process who they are. Home invaded + best friend murdered = wife is in danger = violent response.

[Worvon]

But why is forcing an armed confrontation the first step these cops try? Just reeks of shitty training and an itching to shoot people.

It's a combination of having officers that aren't fit to be rent-a-cops in civilized countries, little training, a climate of fear/shoot first, and laws that shield them when they murder people. It took me moving out of the US to see how bad it was back home.

[Daelak]

Isn't 18 grams a lot? I don't know, not a weed smoker myself.

Lol no, it's half an ounce. They barely had any cocaine as well.

[Animalhouse]

What is ridiculous is that this is not making front page news on major sites. If it does not push their BS narrative then they don't report.
Had the couple been black this would have been EVERYWHERE. Hell there have been 2 MMO-C commenters already trying to play the damn race card because they didn't even know the couple were white. Doctor Amadeus (or whatever his name is this week) with his typical left wing propaganda and TheramoreIsTheBomb with her "BlackLivesMatter" because all lives don't matter? GTFO of here with that shit.

[Magicpot]

How can you claim privilege is invented when people are getting murdered by police and said police get off? Or are you claiming only white privilge is invented?

Police privilege is absolutely real, but police also do regularly get off shooting white people. Police are just scummy in general in the US.

[DisposableHero]

US police randomly murdering people, hardly any thing new unless you have your head up your ass.

Totally inaccurate and slanderous. It is hardly ever random.

[Magicpot]

Totally inaccurate and slanderous. It is hardly ever random.

Yeah, they tend to target minorities and poor people more often, totally forgot that.

[VTerpsichore]

Tl;dr: "innocent"

LOL! Best thing in the whole thread.

[Pat McGroin]

What is ridiculous is that this is not making front page news on major sites. If it does not push their BS narrative then they don't report.
Had the couple been black this would have been EVERYWHERE. Hell there have been 2 MMO-C commenters already trying to play the damn race card because they didn't even know the couple were white. Doctor Amadeus (or whatever his name is this week) with his typical left wing propaganda and TheramoreIsTheBomb with her "BlackLivesMatter" because all lives don't matter? GTFO of here with that shit.

Like I said in my first post. I’m kind of surprised a thread hasn’t been a thread made about this here yet. It has almost all of what people like to discuss in this sub forum. Almost...
This event happened three weeks ago.

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How can you claim privilege is invented when people are getting murdered by police and said police get off? Or are you claiming only white privilge is invented?

Non-police citizens get away with murder as well.

[Kraenen]

I'd like to know what you yourself are drinking because clearly you live in an alternate reality if you believe white people are a second class citizen .

Spent too much time in college liberal arts programs? Which would be ironic I guess.

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BlackLivesMatter. Fuck these kkk members with badges.

Certainly goes against the notion that BLM advocates that all lives matter when it comes to police shootings and that they simply focus on black people. When a police shooting happens, it's just automatically assumed the victim is black.

[Jonnusthegreat]

So you stand outside like idiots while they take cover and shoot you one by one? Lol.

Honestly a better outcome than murdering two people and having 5 injured.

[Zython]

What is ridiculous is that this is not making front page news on major sites. If it does not push their BS narrative then they don't report.
Had the couple been black this would have been EVERYWHERE. Hell there have been 2 MMO-C commenters already trying to play the damn race card because they didn't even know the couple were white. Doctor Amadeus (or whatever his name is this week) with his typical left wing propaganda and TheramoreIsTheBomb with her "BlackLivesMatter" because all lives don't matter? GTFO of here with that shit.

1. The couple were Hispanic, IIRC.

2. I got this shit from the Houston Chronicle, which is the major newspaper there.

[Shadowferal]

Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas

Umm..yeah...

[Najnaj]

Ok, so this one is a bit of a doozy, but bear with me.

So our story begins with a drug bust, where a couple was shot and killed. The president of the Houston police union used it as an opportunity to threaten anti-police brutality activists.



But that's only the beginning of the story. Turns out the raid itself was likely not on the up-and-up.



Tl;dr: HPD likely made up false intel to get a warrant for an innocent couple and killed them.

This is seriously fucked up.

One person in the HPD seems to be a the issue here from what I can tell. He has been suspended and is under investigation for a "serious crime."

Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about race?

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1. The couple were Hispanic, IIRC.

A fair haired dude named Dennis Tuttle?

[Neuroticaine]

What is ridiculous is that this is not making front page news on major sites. If it does not push their BS narrative then they don't report.
Had the couple been black this would have been EVERYWHERE. Hell there have been 2 MMO-C commenters already trying to play the damn race card because they didn't even know the couple were white. Doctor Amadeus (or whatever his name is this week) with his typical left wing propaganda and TheramoreIsTheBomb with her "BlackLivesMatter" because all lives don't matter? GTFO of here with that shit.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/us/ho...nts/index.html

Literally in the top stories of the U.S. News section of everybody's favorite extreme left wing major news outlet.