lor'themar theron is a traitor who basically destroyed the horde and zandalar

[Varodoc]

They are corrupting the Zandalari wildlife, it was explicitly mentioned that they are summoning void beings to possess the raptors, why the fuck is this constantly ignored, if anyone else did this they would be exterminated with extreme prejudice. Meanwhile Void Elves can do whatever because they are Alliance so they cannot be in the wrong. Worst race ever implemented, completely warps the story in their favor.

Lol, so the Warlock player character is actually insane and is helping Sargeras? I guess that now that the Zandalari are bound to Bwonsamdi, they are insane, as they are helping the Bwonsamdi's boss expand his influence on Azeroth. In fact, all races are insane as their constant bickering is merely fueling N'zoth.

[Verdugo]

It''s definitely a morally grey thing to do, is corrupting animals as bad as raising the dead? In my view no, but they are both pretty bad. But just because it's a bad action doesn't mean the perpetrator is insane. Is Sylvanas insane for Teldrassil? Was Garrosh insane for Theramore? No. Bad things happen in war and people have to do morally ambiguous things to ensure victory. Should Void Elves be allowed to corrupt animals? Probably not and I find it very unlikely Anduin was aware that was happening, because he certainly would not condone it. But you can't say Void Elves are insane for corrupting wildlife unless you're also willing to say that Sylvanas is even more insane for raising her own troops for example.

Corrupting wildlife is directly aiding void lords in corrupting Azeroth. Yes, they are clearly insane.

[PaladinBash]

Traitor? No. Dumb or shortsighted or softcocked, depending how you look at it? Absolutely. Seems to fit in with Horde leadership in that regard.

[The Stormbringer]

So, he's a traitor because he was unable to see the future and what would happen if he exiled them? Wat?

[Verdugo]

Well, that's just your opinion. Which I don't need to believe, I'd rather take what's true from the canon lore than my own head. You do you though bud

And what is the canon consequence of them spreading void corruption.

[Nargrom]

It makes sense for Lor'themar to exile the void elves, his people found salvation in the light after the scourge butt fucked them, and there is a difference to live off the void or become part of it or whatever the fuck lore void elves have and a different thing to use the controlled spells s.priests and warlocks use.

Also another reason why he would want to exile them is the same as every other horde leader's for forbiding sylvanas to use the plague, its just too dangerous, not worth the risk, you could argue now with sylvanas as warchief who gives a fuck, but the WARchief doesnt have a say in what the other races do inside their nation.

At last the butterfly effect you described, it is possible but imo a bit farfetched, even if the alliance lost the battle of Lordaeron, they wouldnt stop there...If anything they had all the more reason to ally with Kul'Tiras, and all the event at Zandalar would have played since i see no reason for the horde not to add the zandalari to their roster even if they won the war.

All in all Lor'themar is not a traitor

[Friendlyimmolation]

Why were they being dumbasses?

Studying the magic of the guy that lead their race to being nearly wiped out, ignoring orders to stop said research even when they realized what danger it could be to the Sunwell.

The only Mistake Lorthemar made was not killing them, they betrayed their entire race when they choice the void over Quel'thalas.

[Monster Hunter]

A matter of perspective, but a valid one. The OP was referring to the position and perspective of Lor'themar, so that is what I was arguing from.

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I am not quite certain of what you're referring to?

where was the blood elf army at the siege of lorderon ?

[Verdugo]

Well, void elves have only been introduced recently - we have no idea what consequences they could bring with them long term do we? Answer me this, if void elves are insane - is Sylvanas insane?

Sylvanas is a clearly unstable individual, there is some lucidity but its all being turned into overly complicated plans that achieve fuckall.

[Friendlyimmolation]

So Lor'themar should ban all dangerous magic then right? If that's your argument

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Well, either they both are insane. Or neither of them are, you pick.

Your feigned ignorance in that the void specifically threatens the sunwell isn't an argument.

Lor'themar didn't need to ban everyone who uses magic, just the idiots who decided to delve into the magic specifically the opposite of what powers their entire kingdom.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Also, I could be wrong - Arthas nearly wiped out the Sin'dorei and he didn't use Void magic so I'm not sure what your point is there

The guy who made it possible for Arthas to get past the elf gates used void magic, Dar'khan Drathir, the owner of the Book Umbric was studying, and Telogus rift is the result of them finishing Dar'khan's attempts to get there.

Edit: This guy https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dar%27Khan_Drathir

The combination of it being the direct opposite of the Sunwell and the fact that the guy who let Arthas into their kingdom was a practitioner of the void is why the future Ren'dorei were exiled.

[Minikin]

Main traitor is still Sylvanas [replaced: Alleria]. She is elf who basically supporting main force Horde [replaced: alliance] killing her people everyday. Elf who sold even herself to undead human [replaced: human] boyfriend [replaced: husband] who killing elves in Teldrassil [replaced: Arathi Warfront]. Elf who support group of crazy scourge 2.0 [replaced: void terrorists] against own people.

And yes. Sylvanas [replaced: Alleria] is undead high elf [replaced: high elf]. But undead high elf [confused: high elf] is not race anymore. It's just political name for group of traitors with same mindset.

Sylvanas [replaced: Alleria] is worst elf traitor in history. Only this Nomi [lol'ed:undeath] guy from Pandaria [??: Ghostlands] is worse. And she support Royal Apothecary Society [replaced: terrorists] who use his work as main road to power.

And it was her who teleport Blighted [replaced: all these terrorist inside] Lordaeron [spelling: Lordaleon]. So.

just some minor edits. no big deal.

[Aucald]

They are corrupting the Zandalari wildlife, it was explicitly mentioned that they are summoning void beings to possess the raptors, why the fuck is this constantly ignored, if anyone else did this they would be exterminated with extreme prejudice. Meanwhile Void Elves can do whatever because they are Alliance so they cannot be in the wrong. Worst race ever implemented, completely warps the story in their favor.

The Void Elves are using Void magic to create temporary constructs to attack the Zandalari and the Horde - this isn't "insane," nor is it specifically "corruption" save of already deceased beings. This isn't the first time either the Alliance or the Horde has summoned constructs, briefly resurrected wildlife, or temporarily suborned natural forces to advance some specific cause.

I mean, yes, maligning the remains of dead creatures isn't nice or morally good - but there's nothing about the Void Elves that sets them apart from the 1,001 other times this has happened on both sides of the faction divide.

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where was the blood elf army at the siege of lorderon ?

Lor'themar and a number of Blood Elven auxiliaries were present at the Battle of Lordaeron, unless you're referring to a previous conflict?

[Jastall]

I'm getting beyond tired of embarrassing crap like this thread filling up the forums.

And here I was told a faction war makes for fun forum discussions. So far all I've seen is the same ten people, max, flinging shit at characters or people they don't like.

I'll take us /eyerolling at Illidan's grandiose declarations and overly dissecting Il'gynoth's lines over this endless string of pointless hate threads.

[Powerogue]

So you're going to blame the blood elf leader for the actions of the traitors that he exiled? -.-

We're getting deep now. This is almost as bad as when we started blaming Deathwing for Sylvanas becoming Warchief because he was the catalyst that got Garrosh into power to ultimately go crazy-go-nuts and get deposed.

[Sangris]

just some minor edits. no big deal.

Good job keeping up the tradition of making absolutely every thread (as dumb as this one may be) be about how evil Sylvanas is. Have a cookie.

[Monster Hunter]

The Void Elves are using Void magic to create temporary constructs to attack the Zandalari and the Horde - this isn't "insane," nor is it specifically "corruption" save of already deceased beings. This isn't the first time either the Alliance or the Horde has summoned constructs, briefly resurrected wildlife, or temporarily suborned natural forces to advance some specific cause.

I mean, yes, maligning the remains of dead creatures isn't nice or morally good - but there's nothing about the Void Elves that sets them apart from the 1,001 other times this has happened on both sides of the faction divide.

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Lor'themar and a number of Blood Elven auxiliaries were present at the Battle of Lordaeron, unless you're referring to a previous conflict?

i don't remember seeing them or him anywhere. :/

[Aucald]

i don't remember seeing them or him anywhere. :/

You'll see them taking the field at 17:04 all through the fighting in the back alleys of Capitol City (the above group part of the Undercity). Lor'themar is present and speaks to Nathanos who is coordinating the feint.

[Amaterasu65]

Lor'themar and his little group of leaders are a bunch of liars and hypocrites. They find secret negotiating with the Alliance when shit with Horde goes bad as non treacherous, but studying of the void is so so "treacherous" that they have to exile them. Meanwhile they allow Death Knights, Warlocks, Shadow Priests in their ranks. They ally themselves with undead armies which burn elf homelands (ding dong ring a bell?), they ally themselves with trolls. They throw the elves out, they are saved by the Alliance and the faction accepts them and they are suddenly traitors. Dying in Ghostlands was obviously the most appropriate solution. Fun fact is that Sin'dorei are visiting Telogrus out of curiosity to learn more about the void changed elves. I feel that many of them do not have an issue with the Void Elves apart from Lor'themar etc.

That doesn't make him a traitor though, for gonna be open. Just garbage, he's been doing nothing since he was implemented. He is bowing in service to every warmongering facist/genocidal Warchief he has. So much for the proud lineage of the Sin'dorei, and their self-proclaimed "superiority" compared to inferior races. He loves licking orc or undead's boot every time. Why did Blizzard have to give us this nobody trash instead of Kael'thas? Why did they ruin the one true Blood Elf in all his glory...

[Verdugo]

Lor'themar and his little group of leaders are a bunch of liars and hypocrites. They find secret negotiating with the Alliance when shit with Horde goes bad as non treacherous, but studying of the void is so so "treacherous" that they have to exile them. Meanwhile they allow Death Knights, Warlocks, Shadow Priests in their ranks. They ally themselves with undead armies which burn elf homelands (ding dong ring a bell?), they ally themselves with trolls. They throw the elves out, they are saved by the Alliance and the faction accepts them and they are suddenly traitors. Dying in Ghostlands was obviously the most appropriate solution. Fun fact is that Sin'dorei are visiting Telogrus out of curiosity to learn more about the void changed elves. I feel that many of them do not have an issue with the Void Elves apart from Lor'themar etc.

That doesn't make him a traitor though, for gonna be open. Just garbage, he's been doing nothing since he was implemented. He is bowing in service to every warmongering facist/genocidal Warchief he has. So much for the proud lineage of the Sin'dorei, and their self-proclaimed "superiority" compared to inferior races. He loves licking orc or undead's boot every time. Why did Blizzard have to give us this nobody trash instead of Kael'thas? Why did they ruin the one true Blood Elf in all his glory...

Quoted: not an alliance player.