Demo Opener Help?

[Mykal87]

I've seen many different openers used from different PoVs, I'm wondering what is the ideal opener getting 5 shards with Tyrant. Is getting EP up first the then dumping the correct play, or is it better to get as many imps as possible then consuming and then getting your first 3 shards off for EP better? Thanks for the help lads!

[Walrock]

https://lockonestopshop.com/#!/Demonology/Rotation

[Tramzh]

pre demonbolt -> hog -> dreadstalkers -> soul strike -> implosion -> (grimoire: felguard if talented) -> build to 5 shards -> hog until ur at 0 shards -> tyrant -> trinket + demonic strength

[Verazh]

precast DB, hog, builld to 5 shards, implosion, gfg, call Dreadstalkers, build to 5 shards, hog, build to 3, hog, DS/ss/SB (two casts) and then tyrant (and spam implosion when tyrant is nearing end of the cast), then use any on use trinkets and racials.

Other talets doesn't really change the idea of the opener. The important part is precasting DB so you have 5 shards. IF you have BB, then cast that after, then hog, then you build to 5 shards (using ss if you have it), then demons on cooldowns, such as gfg and stalkers, but could also be vilefiend, then the universal "building 6 imps for dcon tyrant.

[Walrock]

pre demonbolt -> hog -> dreadstalkers -> soul strike -> implosion -> (grimoire: felguard if talented) -> build to 5 shards -> hog until ur at 0 shards -> tyrant -> trinket + demonic strength

Wrong, if you trinket after tyrant, he wont pick up the trinket buff.
Tyrant in general doesnt snapshot, but hes kinda inconsistent with trinket buffs.
And Dstr after Tyrant? wut?
You use Dstr after the 2nd Hand so you get a global for your imps to spawn.

[Lawlhero]

Wrong, if you trinket after tyrant, he wont pick up the trinket buff.
Tyrant in general doesnt snapshot, but hes kinda inconsistent with trinket buffs.
And Dstr after Tyrant? wut?
You use Dstr after the 2nd Hand so you get a global for your imps to spawn.

Wouldn't it be more valuable to get the 15% buff to your felguard for the DS? Just wondering.

[Walrock]

No, its more of a dps gain to spend the global so the Tyrant can eat more imps.
And half of the storm still gets the Tyrant buff+trinkets/racials.

[Tramzh]

Wrong, if you trinket after tyrant, he wont pick up the trinket buff.
Tyrant in general doesnt snapshot, but hes kinda inconsistent with trinket buffs.
And Dstr after Tyrant? wut?
You use Dstr after the 2nd Hand so you get a global for your imps to spawn.

u have no clue what ur talking about bro xD

[Walrock]

u have no clue what ur talking about bro xD

Oh sorry, I forgot to mention that what you wrote is bullshit.

But hey what do I know, that what I say is just backed up by the #1 source for warlocks and by the information thats passed around in the discord.

Dont listen to some random idiots like Tramzh here, just go and look up the ressource I linked or go into the discord, you'll find the right information (which strangely is going to be the same what I posted, spookey I know).

[nToxik]

Tyrant doesn't snapshot so your should trinket before summoning your tyrant.

[WashedUpRaider]

Oh sorry, I forgot to mention that what you wrote is bullshit.

But hey what do I know, that what I say is just backed up by the #1 source for warlocks and by the information thats passed around in the discord.

Dont listen to some random idiots like Tramzh here, just go and look up the ressource I linked or go into the discord, you'll find the right information (which strangely is going to be the same what I posted, spookey I know).

Lmao. You really dont have any clue WHo you're talking to do you. I'll take the guy who gets 95 percentile parses on every fight and is in one of the best guilds in the world, over you, or anyone of the number crunching smucks. in the class discord. The game isnt a simulation. Maybe you should consider ASKING why he thinks X way is better than Y before you try to talk shit.

[Mykal87]

precast DB, hog, builld to 5 shards, implosion, gfg, call Dreadstalkers, build to 5 shards, hog, build to 3, hog, DS/ss/SB (two casts) and then tyrant (and spam implosion when tyrant is nearing end of the cast), then use any on use trinkets and racials.

Other talets doesn't really change the idea of the opener. The important part is precasting DB so you have 5 shards. IF you have BB, then cast that after, then hog, then you build to 5 shards (using ss if you have it), then demons on cooldowns, such as gfg and stalkers, but could also be vilefiend, then the universal "building 6 imps for dcon tyrant.

I originally missed this, I have been wondering why my burst is so much lower than most that I watch. Granted I'm still operating with only x2 EP traints, I'm still ranking 94+ on most fights. I think this well help push me over the hump, and if RNJesus stops fucking me with azerite >.>

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Thank you all, well, most of you, for the feedback. I've gotten top 100 on almost all fights as destroy and been trying to switch to Demo but been gated behind not having x3 EP and because of that, my destro is still outputting more damage, especially on fights like Jade, Blockade.

I'm glad to see the community talking again, this forum was dead for almost 2 months....

[Kinjin]

pre demonbolt -> hog -> dreadstalkers -> soul strike -> implosion -> (grimoire: felguard if talented) -> build to 5 shards -> hog until ur at 0 shards -> tyrant -> trinket + demonic strength

A noticeable difference. You rock, thanks!

[hellhamster]

A noticeable difference. You rock, thanks!

It's a good opener. Two small things. It's best to soul strike first after the first hog for pet charge as well as recast it after the second hog during hog spam for an extra imp for tyrant. It doesn't make much difference since you are losing energy from the imps, but you might proc Soul Conduit shards for additional hogs. Secondly, if you see Soul Conduit procs during your first hog+soulstrike, it's slightly preferable to ignore implosion and dreadstalkers and just keep spamming hogs until tyrant. Again, minimal difference and likely even a dps loss but it might be worth during heavy movement 10-15 secs in.

Lastly, bear in mind to hit your trinkets immediately after your tyrant, every cast buffed is worth a fuckton.

[Tramzh]

A noticeable difference. You rock, thanks!

I forgot to mention here that ur obviously supposed to implode right after tyrant, and if ur soul conduit procs so that u go from 3 to 0 in ur last hog u need to wait about half a global to fit all imps into ur consumption.
A strong consumption would look something like 3hog->3hog->2hog->1hog (with lust, 4 conduit/meteor procs total, if u land this ur tyrant is probably close to/above a mil). A standard above average consumption would look something like 3hog -> db -> 3hog -> 2hog -> 1hog (2 conduit procs)
It's worth experimenting with trinketing before tyrant because of its slow update/bugginess but in general thats not what gonna net u a big difference in damage, the % on the tyrant is what matters.
Don't change anything else or u will produce less numbers
Enjoy this casinospec while it lasts

[nToxik]

It's a good opener. Two small things. It's best to soul strike first after the first hog for pet charge as well as recast it after the second hog during hog spam for an extra imp for tyrant. It doesn't make much difference since you are losing energy from the imps, but you might proc Soul Conduit shards for additional hogs. Secondly, if you see Soul Conduit procs during your first hog+soulstrike, it's slightly preferable to ignore implosion and dreadstalkers and just keep spamming hogs until tyrant. Again, minimal difference and likely even a dps loss but it might be worth during heavy movement 10-15 secs in.

Lastly, bear in mind to hit your trinkets immediately after your tyrant, every cast buffed is worth a fuckton.

You need to trinket BEFORE Tyrant as Tyrant doesn't get buffs after he is summoned.

[hellhamster]

You need to trinket BEFORE Tyrant as Tyrant doesn't get buffs after he is summoned.

Yes he does, Tyrant updates dynamically.

[Count Zero]

You need to trinket BEFORE Tyrant as Tyrant doesn't get buffs after he is summoned.

Yes he does, Tyrant updates dynamically.

... judges ?

[Inshabel]

Would you recommend SC over Grimoire?

[hellhamster]

Would you recommend SC over Grimoire?

They are very close, SC can make some fuckhuge tyrants and grimoire is great for multiple targets or fortified keys.