The vindicaar plot hole - an easy solution

[RobertMugabe]

The Vindicaar may not be that much of a strong ship to begin with.

[Verdugo]

And heck, even if we did not have the Vindicaar, we'd still have the Void Elves who can open portals to and from Telorgus to anywhere else, bypassing wards by expert mages protecting their most important resources

The fact that people use Void Elves as an example of safe transportation perfectly shows how Blizzard failed.

Are we ever going to see this turn against the alliance using it? Propably not, since they are alliance.

[Super Kami Dende]

Are you sure you're not mistaking that for the Xenedar?

Oh, so it is, my bad. Got my Space Goat Ship names mixed up.

[huth]

The fact that people use Void Elves as an example of safe transportation perfectly shows how Blizzard failed.

Are we ever going to see this turn against the alliance using it? Propably not, since they are alliance.

Safe? Who said anything about safe?

But the main threat is against those passing through the portals. And it is far to valuable a strategic resource to just dismiss it.

[Mehrunes]

Only for it to bounce off the teleportation wards and explode next to Oculeth.

Wards that the Vindicaar must necessarily have due to being build to operate in an area occupied by a force for whom teleportation is the normal way of going to work.

Except just like Void Elves' rifts, telemancy bypasses wards and Oculeth repeatedly teleported whoever he needed to wherever he needed, be it key areas of Suramar or Jaina's own city (in relation to your following post, the latter also showing he doesn't need to be familiar with a location or have it secured).

Name a Horde superpower/superweapon?

Blight. Mana bombs. Literal nukes. Azerite weapons. Sunwell can act as fuel for offensive magic if Blood Elves fancied it.

The Troll Mask ritual that happens at the end of Horde Drustvar invasions could certainly be said to be one. Under the ritual's power you scythe your way through battalions of Lightforged Draenei and Alliance auxiliaries, including a platoon of Lightforged Warframes, followed up by soloing an Exarch at the end.

But I thought warframes are invincible and nearly divine...

What Alliance superweapons? The Gnomish Sattelite with the giant Lazer who was ignored? The Vindicaar? Tyrande? Malfurion? Velen? All of them are an army by themselves with crazy feats in the past and yet now ignored or nerfed to the ground.For the Horde I can name two superweapons who are overexagerrated. The Blight and the Goblin Nukes. Worst deux ex machina. It's an instant I win overexaggerated button used on Alterac, all of Lordaeron, Gilneas and recently Undercity when even the Azerite Tank failed. For some reason the opponents acts like an idiot against those.

You're still engaging in special pleading. Which is a weird argument to make when replying to a charge of special pleading. But you do you. Also, Tyrande? She's useless without Elune babysitting her. Velen? His only feats are smiting some demons in Legion. Yet the tales of his awesomeness from Alliance posters predate Legion by a decade, despite there being squat for him to show then.

[Aucald]

But I thought warframes are invincible and nearly divine...

I don't know about "invincible and nearly divine", but I also thought they were made of sterner stuff than that. Either Legion dreadnoughts are far weaker than expected, Warframes don't work nearly as well on Azeroth, or Troll voodoo is extremely powerful.

[Verdugo]

I don't know about "invincible and nearly divine", but I also thought they were made of sterner stuff than that. Either Legion dreadnoughts are far weaker than expected, Warframes don't work nearly as well on Azeroth, or Troll voodoo is extremely powerful.

World of Warcraft managed to progresively nerf the legion with every consecutive expansion, wouldnt surprise me if felslate was the crappiest material in the universe, but used because its plentiful and Legion didnt give a shit about protecting its army.

[huth]

Except just like Void Elves' rifts, telemancy bypasses wards and Oculeth repeatedly teleported whoever he needed to wherever he needed, be it key areas of Suramar or Jaina's own city (in relation to your following post, the latter also showing he doesn't need to be familiar with a location or have it secured).

He does need specific coordinates, though. A moving target would be a significant issue for him, especially one with unpredictable movement.

[Arrashi]

The fact that people use Void Elves as an example of safe transportation perfectly shows how Blizzard failed.

Are we ever going to see this turn against the alliance using it? Propably not, since they are alliance.

Oh come on, slighty incovenient cosmic horrors are cool too.

[bowlink]

Void elves are basicly warhammer 40k psykers using the warp

[huth]

I think it is more of a matter of distance. Occuleth certainly is enough of a mathematical genius to handle the coordinates of a moving object in orbit, especially given time to prepare (which he'd have). I think what would challenge him is the distance and beyond that whatever defenses the Vindicaar has against teleportation. We DO know that void magic could penetrate the Xenedar's defenses easily but that might not be the same for Arcane magic.

Unpredictable movement makes things a lot harder. He'd basically have to guess where the Vindicaar is when the portee arrives, and any false guess would have...unfortunate results. Given relative sizes, the chance of guessing correctly is pretty small.

Of course, there's also the issue that while Oculeth is no doubt capable, most of his experience is in relatively short-distance ports. Also, the Vindicaar is likely to have different teleport wards than a regular city is likely to have. It was purpose built as a military assault vehicle, after all.

[Alanar]

It is low on power. It ran out of the majority of its power during Legion. Only the minimum is currently running.

Millions of played charged that freaking thing... its just to OP to make sense to use it for our own little horde vs ally war.
But now you got a magical disney rainbow ship who shoots purple blasts out of toyguns with 1 rediculous op mage on top of the deck with no crew needed. So well fair trade?

[Vynestra]

It's a plot hole and there's a lot of them.

If wow lore had a cheese mascot for its plot it'd be swiss.

I've learned to accept the plot holes and move on.

Everyone lets take our serenity quote "Grant me the strength to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference." and move on .

[Verdugo]

Void elves are basicly warhammer 40k psykers using the warp

Except that psykers possess an inherent risk to everyone around them. Void Elves not so much, possibly because they joined the Alliance and they cant do no wrong.

[Mehrunes]

He does need specific coordinates, though. A moving target would be a significant issue for him, especially one with unpredictable movement.

Well, that was not among the issues with standard teleportation that you mentioned in the post I was referring to. And that's what beacons are for. Looping back to Saurfang and the Azshara gun mentioned earlier in the thread, you could glue a beacon to Saurfang and shoot him from the Azshara gun at the Vindicaar. It's finally time for that gun to do something.

The Blight definitely is. You'll find me saying Sylvanas should actually go beyond the Blight and use the Plague of Undeath if she has access to that.
Mana bombs I presume you mean the ones from TBC that the Sunfury had. The one used against Theramore was not a Horde weapon since it required the Focusing Iris. Still the former were still potent, just not as destructive.
Azerite weapons are for everyone's use. From what we know the early designs came from a goblin and gnome pair, not the Horde itself. Ashvane seems to have comparable power. And everyone would want to see some Azerite weapons used since that was the entire premise of the expansion.
I'd love to see the Sunwell used offensive. I don't think it would have much range but I am sure it could be an amazing weapon to use defensively. The only concern would be what could happen if you extended the power of the Sunwell outward and it was then met with Void magic by the Void Elves and Alleria.

I don't really get your point about Azerite. More than one faction having access to the same kind of superweapon doesn't remove it's super status. Nukes are still superweapons despite at least a dozen countries having them. As for Sunwell, Azshara used the Well of Eternity to launch Armageddon all the way in Azsuna. Sunwell is less potent, but maybe it'd have reach across Lordaeron continent if the Blood Elves finally meddled with it for something more than their Alliancefication "by the Light" sessions (which means bye bye Stromgarde).

I think it is more of a matter of distance. Occuleth certainly is enough of a mathematical genius to handle the coordinates of a moving object in orbit, especially given time to prepare (which he'd have). I think what would challenge him is the distance and beyond that whatever defenses the Vindicaar has against teleportation. We DO know that void magic could penetrate the Xenedar's defenses easily but that might not be the same for Arcane magic.

For a moving target he just needs to add a ninth chevron.

[valax]

Or just have Romuul give Velen the keys of the vindicar for a test drive , only for him to promptly crash it somewhere.

[Verdugo]

I don't really get your point about Azerite. More than one faction having access to the same kind of superweapon doesn't remove it's super status.

"The bad news is, Horde has enough nukes to kill us 6 times over. Lucklily, we have enough nukes to kill them 7 times over so it doesnt really matter."

Cold war jokes are still relevant.

[Zantos]

It's still powering the ship, you see it there in the lightforged starting zone when the ship is in orbit above Azeroth, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The power to keep it in orbit would be Far less then the power to fire the cannon and take out entire Horde cities. I mean really, how much power do you thing floating in zero gavrity would take? They were able to do that without argunite. Its their weapons systems that primarily need that type of resources to function.

"but the allied race has the cannon!" Lore =/= gameplay.

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Yeah but as someone pointed out the Vindicaar was made on Azeroth and the Draenei fled Argus 10k years ago (I think) so it's not like they had just oodles and oodles of it lying around anymore. So they decided to make the fuel for the vessel they built on Azeroth to require something that can only be found on Argus? Which they decided to do before there was even a portal to Argus ... Do you not see how stupid this is? lol

Their weapons systems use it. The weapons they integrated from the fallen Army of Light vessel.

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Argunite - The Lifeblood essence of the Tortured Titan Planet Argus
Azerite - the Lifeblood Essence of the Damaged Titan Planet Azeroth

Wow, look at the amazing differences.

Also its only Power Source wasn't Argunite, as it manage to run fine for a millenia in the Twisting nether before returning to Argus.

Ok, few things. 1, they can have a different chemical make up. I know, huge difference. Second, the weapons came from the Army of the Light. The weapons need Argunite to function. That is why its not just blasting down rays of doom on everyone below. They might be able to adapt the cannon to it, but they can't right now.

[matrix123mko]

Why exactly does everyone believe the Vindicaar is some sort of doomsday weapon?

Its cannon is mediocre, but it gives some tactical advantage, because it lets its user transport soldiers quickly.

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Or just have Romuul give Velen the keys of the vindicar for a test drive , only for him to promptly crash it somewhere.

Old people are bad drivers confirmed.

[Every Pwny]

The power to keep it in orbit would be Far less then the power to fire the cannon and take out entire Horde cities. I mean really, how much power do you thing floating in zero gavrity would take? They were able to do that without argunite. Its their weapons systems that primarily need that type of resources to function.

"but the allied race has the cannon!" Lore =/= gameplay.

They don't rely on argunite since they now use the Crown of the Triumvirante, which is what powered the cannon as it powers the ship. They don't even have the argunite power source intake on the ship anymore (when you go to the room under the main room) because it's not needed. Even then the ship didn't originally even rely on argunite since it was built on Azeroth.