6 People shot at a mosque in New Zealand

[Ihavewaffles]

You're still ignoring the band of violent buddhist monks? Of course you do... it would destroy your narrative of only ONE religion being aggressive.

Confined to certain part of the world where jihadist chop monks heads off n butcher them. Radicalizing the monks by attacking them n then pretend the monks wanted to turn this way, well, then why does this only happen after religion of peace goes berzerk, n why does nobody outside that conflict fear monks? But a certain religion has hate preacher all over world, in the west, spewing bile n u get violence n terror attacks as result...


So when someone retaliates, people wonder why...

The far right would have little to no support in west had immigrants been from non-muslim countries...

There's no buddhist trucks of peace, beheadings, rampant crime, medieval oppressive laws like sharia supported by good chunk of people, child grooming, gang rape etc

The fact of the matter is that the religion with the BIGGEST BAGGAGE will attract those with shortest fuses to retaliate.

Sure attack him, that changes everything...u can feel better about yourselves n problems might magically go away by themselves in time..

[Ravenblade]

The victims themselfs are innocent but their religion isnt. So many terror attacks commited in the name of islam in the last years around the globe. What he did is equally horrible but it isnt really suprising it happend.

This is false justification. A religion is not an entity that you can drag in front of a court expecting a fair and just sentence. It's sharing spots with ideology. Even democracies are not free of ideologies, some of them have condoned and even outright supported some of the worst campaigns in the 20th and 21st century. I haven't seen people saying "democracy is guilty". Replace politicized ideology or religion with a gun and you get your analogy right there. A lot people can't differentiate between political Islam let alone the different schools either. One basic tenet of our democratic Western models is that nobody is guilty until proven otherwise and that group punishment is nothing but reprehensible, it's what makes us distinguish from the values of totalitarian and authoritarian regimes. I understand that a lot people feel the need for revenge but that often comes at the costs of proportionality. You want to hunt monsters but you don't want to join their ranks.

I am not surprised it happened either: The uncontrolled spheres of the web 2.0 with its radicalized blogospheres, social media filter bubbles and echo chambers, the ease and speed of which you can spread true and false information altogether made it all possible. Once the moderate base erodes it gives way to meme-driven speech that target groups with messages of hate. People think they are above the old ways of state propaganda, and that they have learned how to avoid it but the swarm effect can manage to spread propaganda far more effectively. This terrorist adopted all the weird conspiracy theories and their vocabulary to make it outright easy to identify what influenced him.

[letssee]

Confined to certain part of the world where jihadist chop monks heads off n butcher them. Radicalizing the monks by attacking them n then pretend the monks wanted to turn this way, well, then why does this only happen after religion of peace goes berzerk, n why does nobody outside that conflict fear monks? But a certain religion has hate preacher all over world, in the west, spewing bile n u get violence n terror attacks as result...


So when someone retaliates, people wonder why...

The far right would have little to no support in west had immigrants been from non-muslim countries...

There's no buddhist trucks of peace, beheadings, rampant crime, medieval oppressive laws like sharia supported by good chunk of people, child grooming, gang rape etc

The fact of the matter is that the religion with the BIGGEST BAGGAGE will attract those with shortest fuses to retaliate.

Sure attack him, that changes everything...u can feel better about yourselves n problems might magically go away by themselves in time..

has nothiing to do with the religion, those poeple are terrorists who are sick in the head and uneducated, motivated by poltical agendas and brainwashed dreams

[lockedout]

Pewdiepie bread and butter is made off these kind of lunatics whether he openly admits that or not. I wouldn’t go as far as calling him Alex Jones or agree he should be sued anymore than the Washington Post or CNN.

But I sure as fuck think it’s fair to blame him.

Maybe I missed something but how do you blame him exactly?

[Deldavala]

Pewdiepie bread and butter is made off these kind of lunatics whether he openly admits that or not. I wouldn’t go as far as calling him Alex Jones or agree he should be sued anymore than the Washington Post or CNN.

But I sure as fuck think it’s fair to blame him.

He has almost 90 million subs, ofc he has some lunatics in there, its basic statistics. And if you think his bread and butter are these lunatics you are delusional.

[Elba]

I cant see how Pewdiepie is equal to a hate preacher. He has never uttered anything that can resemble that.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-laughing-yet

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/10/pe...cist-comments/

https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/10/...t-anti-semitic

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...d-twitch-fails

And these are the people he follows:

https://imgur.com/1j9YIBi

Note Ben Shapiro, who collaborated with PDB, who had radicalized the Quebec Mosque shooter before.

[DarkAmbient]

Pewdiepie bread and butter is made off these kind of lunatics whether he openly admits that or not. I wouldn’t go as far as calling him Alex Jones or agree he should be sued anymore than the Washington Post or CNN.

But I sure as fuck think it’s fair to blame him.

Absolute horse shit. There is nothing to blame Pewdiepie for over this.

[Deldavala]

What does a hate-preacher? Spouting edgy stuff to get people into his place.

What does pewdiepie? Spouting edgy stuff to get people into his place.

Not saying he should be prosecuted or censored or anything, but if you use the dog whistle for years, you probably get the consequences from people who "don't get the joke" (if he is even really joking)

The rhetoric and content varies a lot from Pewdiepies videos and a hate preacher. Trust me I know, I have been to different gatherings and heard shit live(both from Islamic, Christian, Nazis)

[Doctor Amadeus]

He is more of a dog whistle

Well there is an argument that the gunman makes reference to Pewdiepie as a troll. And yes unfortunately I understand that argument. But I think it’s bullshit.

He made the reference to pander to an audience had he said “Remember only you can prevent Forrest fires” anyone would have blamed Smokey the Bear.

Because before this nobody would have even considered Pewdiepie in line with any of this. This guy was playing to a receptive audience. Whether Pewdiepie acknowledges that or not.

And when I say blame him. I simply mean I think it’s appropriate to hold that opinion of him. To a finer point I think it’s worth asking what kind of Audience Pewdiepie has.

Cause guess what lulz or not this guy choose Pewdiepie.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Maybe I missed something but how do you blame him exactly?

He seems to promote and support Alt-Right views, the majority of his fans are more worried about his name being mentioned by this maniac, than anybody else who otherwise would have even given Pewdiepie a second thought regardless to what this manic said.

So yes, it's Pewdiepies fan base, this guy obviously made a statement and Pewdiepie and his fans decided to respond so swiftly I would say it's obvious.

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Absolute horse shit. There is nothing to blame Pewdiepie for over this.

No what is horseshit is the fact his name was brought up by himself and his fans more than anybody else, over just about anything else trending on twitter right now. Nobody and I mean nobody otherwise would have given a shit.

[Teaon]

So, people who pray for the death and destruction of everything who doesn't share their religion get killed by someone they wish to die?
Do you remember Orlando? Do you remember September 11th? Do you remember the 34720 terrorist attacks led by muslims all around the world from September 11th?
Do you remember that 99.9% of the terrorist attacks committed in the world since 30 years are by muslims in the name of islam?
Only from March 2nd to March 8th, muslims committed 27 terrorist attack in the world, killing 145 people

Do you remember the 4 terrorist attacks in London? And the man who attacked a mosquee in retribution? Somehow he got more negative coverage and muslims were presented as victims, .

I'm sorry but no, the muslims are not victims, they are the agressors, from the very beginning, they worship a religion of hatred and death and they kill in it's name, every single day; they invaded and attacked every country they could from the very beginning of their death religion birth; it is also interesting to see that when a muslim commit a terrorist attack, the medias try to preserve his identity and his religion, but when it happen to be a white man, which almost never happen, well, we know his face, his name, his friends, were he lives, and even what he ate the morning.
The medias, the left, and more of that, the muslims, are celebrating this attack, this is the perfect opportunity for them to again spin a narrative against the right and launch a full scale attack against everything who doesn't think like them; but this is not surprising, after all, the left and islam are the same: hateful and intelorant ideologies posing as morally good and peaceful.

Sorry, but while i don't encourage terrorist attacks, at all; i won't be an hypocrit and say it's a tragedy and cry over the deaths of people who want to kill me and destroy everything i love.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

you are a disgusting human being, you are no better than the guy who killed the 49 innocent people, go seek help.

and stop pulling numbers from your ass.

Infracted

[Puupi]

you are a disgusting human being, you are no better than the guy who killed the 49 innocent people, go seek help.

and stop pulling numbers from your ass.

I know another one who should seek help.

[Nachtigal]

You're so enlightened.

He or she is also right

[Coolthulhu]

Tarrant's (one of the terrorists) manifesto has been made available by media outlets, and a short read. Within it the shooter describes himself as an "eco-fascist ethno-nationalist", "not a neo-Nazi" despite using a Black Sun as cover image, and the like. So the kind of delusional and highly contradictory stuff you'd expect, but less delirious and consequently less hilarious than Rodger's. I mean, it is delirious, but not a funny, utterly out-of-reality kind of delirious - rather, a boring, Breivik-esque (though less logorrheic) kind of delirious.

[Puupi]

Tarrant's (one of the terrorists) manifesto has been made available by media outlets, and a short read. Within it the shooter describes himself as an "eco-fascist ethno-nationalist", "not a neo-Nazi" despite using a Black Sun as cover image, and the like. So the kind of delusional and highly contradictory stuff you'd expect, but less delirious and consequently less hilarious than Rodger's. I mean, it is delirious, but not a funny, utterly out-of-reality kind of delirious - rather, a boring, Breivik-esque (though less logorrheic) kind of delirious.

He is also a self proclaimed communist and socialist and blames his radicalization on Spyro the Dragon.

Nothing he says has any value and it's pointless to try to stamp any labels on him. A piece of shit lunatic.

[NihilSustinet]

Headlines just coming in from Kiwi land

* A witness inside the Christchurch mosque said a man came in with an automatic rifle and shot people
* Witnesses said they heard "a bunch of shots" on Deans Ave. The road was cordoned off about 2.20pm
* Eyewitnesses reported several have been killed, though officials have not confirmed this
* Stuff understands the emergency department at Christchurch Hospital had been cleared out. Hospital staff were expecting about 40 to 50 injured people
* A roadblock has been set up at the Aldwins Rd and Linwood Ave intersection
* About 20 armed police are clearing buildings in Linwood, across from Eastgate Mall
* Police are warning people to stay indoors and to report any suspicious behaviour to 111.
* All Christchurch schools have been put on lockdown

I thought they had good gun control laws in NZ ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111...n-christchurch

Witness saw wife lying dead on footpath

A man, who would not give his name, said he was praying in the mosque when he heard the shooting started.
He managed to escape, but outside saw his wife lying dead on the footpath.
“My wife is dead,” he said, waling. Head supported by other Muslim men who prayed for him.

Another man said he saw children being shot.
Dozens of people were shot by a man wearing military uniform, who emptied at least two magazines.
“There were bodies all over me.”

A resident on Freyberg St said she heard “hundreds” of shots and it was “terrifying”.A man, who would not give his name, said he was praying in the mosque when he heard the shooting started.
He managed to escape, but outside saw his wife lying dead on the footpath.
“My wife is dead,” he said, waling. Head supported by other Muslim men who prayed for him.

Another man said he saw children being shot.
Dozens of people were shot by a man wearing military uniform, who emptied at least two magazines.
“There were bodies all over me.”
A resident on Freyberg St said she heard “hundreds” of shots and it was “terrifying”


Oh dear.. Sounds like a Hate Based attack..

Shooter described as white, blond, and quite short
Ahmad Al-Mahmoud, 37, described the shooter as white skinned, blond, quite short and wearing a helmet and a bulletproof vest.
He and others broke a window in a door to escape from the mosque. Prayers started at 1.30pm. The gunman came in about 10 minutes later, when everyone was on their knees praying, he said.
The gunman let off dozens, if not hundreds of rounds, he said.

more right wing terrorism in NZ. its almost like the right is getting tired of losing the argument on a global scale, and is just resorting to killing people.

[Dug]

He or she is also right

They're not. There's a clear problem the right have with their extreme "meme" side. This is the logical conclusion after so much larping as a nazi for the lulz.

[JohnBrown1917]

Wow. Just wow.

Masks going full off with him and @Torto in this thread.

[JohnBrown1917]

He is also a self proclaimed communist and socialist and blames his radicalization on Spyro the Dragon.

Nothing he says has any value and it's pointless to try to stamp any labels on him. A piece of shit lunatic.

His targets clearly show his actual beliefs.

[Maruka]

Damn that is awful news.