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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by niztheundead87 View Post
    people crying for anything and feeling entitled is why we cant have nice things
    Yes wanting something ingame rather than paying for it is "entitled"

    Jesus christ.....

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Yes wanting something ingame rather than paying for it is "entitled"

    Jesus christ.....
    When there are already hundreds of other mounts and toys and helmets that aren't on the store, you really do.
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  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Yes wanting something ingame rather than paying for it is "entitled"

    Jesus christ.....
    does the toy make your character better is any way?
    will it help you win a raid boss fight or dungeon in anyway?
    it is cosmetic , other games sell shit for much more already

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soimu View Post
    it does not force you but ruins the game experience if we support this stupid practice because in the case of WOD we had mounts in the store that should have been in the game (with expansion thematic like the fey dragon and the bug mount) and supporting this it leads to this sort of things.

    and instead of thematic mounts we had a tons of pigs ...
    they sold helmets , none bought them , they removed them .
    dont buy it if you dont like it , vote with your wallet
    but it doesnt ruin your game in any way

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by blankfaced View Post
    When there are already hundreds of other mounts and toys and helmets that aren't on the store, you really do.
    No it's really not. And it's that kind of attitude that keeps them putting MTX into a sub based game.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    Which is not very much money at all. You only have to buy four (4) normal priced $60 videogames every year to end up with same cost, so once every quarter. Most new videogames won't have enough content to last a whole quarter, so you'll end up buying DLCs on top of that. Also there's a good chance those four games also have cash shops for cosmetics. WoW is not very expensive.

    I don't really see the problem. If you don't want to use the shop, then don't. If you don't like financing MDI/Arena, then don't. If you don't like playing WoW, because it's too expensive, then don't.

    You are in control of this thing.
    You kind of answered your own question. Games cost $60 or they're free, and then make additional revenue through cash shop selling cosmetics/boosts. WoW charges a full game price for each expansion, $15 a month subscription, AND adds store on top of that. The difference is obvious. We're paying a premium price for a product yet we receive scheme upon scheme of store baits.

    The argument of not using the store if one doesn't like it is invalid because WoW's entire monetization system is convoluted and perverted version of itself. Games like Dota 2 finance their e-sports from the store, and that's completely fine because base game is free and there's no subscription fee. Elder Scrolls Online is another good example with their buy to play plus store. WoW players who already pay too much should get these items through interesting in game events and quests and not be forced to pay a third time.
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  6. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsav1 View Post
    I mean, you don't have to suck blizzards dick so hard.
    I mean, you don't have to commit infractions so hard

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  7. #127
    This is old news already. They announced those toys like 2 months ago.

    Not sure if I want to spend 10E on a toy, I thought they would be at 5. Pets are already at 10 and these are way more interactive.

    I guess I'll wait for some sale in the future. The toy that transforms you into bosses is cool

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Yeah, I'd love to go back to the 90's where you paid $70 for a game on a Sega that had 3 hours of gaemplay. Wooooo weeeeeeeeeeee
    Not all of us bought terrible games though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    or you miss those times because back then people could hide the fact how poor they were ?

    im not writing this to be a dick - but its truth - most people dont mind spending 50 $ a month on microtrasactions in games they enjoy.

    i get it - some people live in poor countries where 10$ is relatively decent amount of money - but its not blizzard fault that their economy is so fucked up .
    I just don't like being nickeled and dimed. I could pay 400$ a month on games doesn't mean I want to.

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    I am NOT a fan of this toy. I kinda think Toys were the fine line of acceptance for the store. That, and gear transmog. It's simply wrong and I will not encourage it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niztheundead87 View Post
    does the toy make your character better is any way?
    will it help you win a raid boss fight or dungeon in anyway?
    it is cosmetic , other games sell shit for much more already

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    they sold helmets , none bought them , they removed them .
    dont buy it if you dont like it , vote with your wallet
    but it doesnt ruin your game in any way
    It most certainly does ruin the game. You have “free” mounts in game and you have shop mounts. If you’re Blizz and trying to hit specific profit goals, how do you encourage people to buy your store mounts when there are mounts readily available in game?

    Simple, you put unique, high quality mounts in the store and do some reskinned horses for the rest. One of the first rules of selling product is to not compete with yourself. Look no further than the pig mounts who have are a rather poor remodel of the existing direhorn. We didn’t see an actual pig model until the lunar festival in which a unique pig was put into the store. Could have been a reward for the actual in game event but that wouldn’t generate any additional sales.
    Similarly, the masked laughing skull bug is a store mount when that faction could have just had it as a rep reward.

    At some point you need to take a step back and accept that you’re:

    -paying a $60+ box price for the game
    -paying $15 a month to play that game

    And neither of those two things give you access to everything the game has to offer without shelling out more money. We’re not even talking about $10 store mounts, $3 toys and $5 pets, we’re talking $35 mounts and $10 pets and toys.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    You kind of answered your own question. Games cost $60 or they're free, and then make additional revenue through cash shop selling cosmetics/boosts. WoW charges a full game price for each expansion, $15 a month subscription, AND adds store on top of that. The difference is obvious. We're paying a premium price for a product yet we receive scheme upon scheme of store baits.
    But those expansions are only released once every 3 years or so. So in the end, the cost works out about the same as every other box2play videogame + dlc + shop combination on the market.

    The difference is ofcourse free to play games like Fortnite - because they only sell you season passes (i.e. subs) + cosmetics in shops, the actual box doesn't cost anything.
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  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Oneirophobia View Post
    It most certainly does ruin the game. You have “free” mounts in game and you have shop mounts. If you’re Blizz and trying to hit specific profit goals, how do you encourage people to buy your store mounts when there are mounts readily available in game?

    Simple, you put unique, high quality mounts in the store and do some reskinned horses for the rest. One of the first rules of selling product is to not compete with yourself. Look no further than the pig mounts who have are a rather poor remodel of the existing direhorn. We didn’t see an actual pig model until the lunar festival in which a unique pig was put into the store. Could have been a reward for the actual in game event but that wouldn’t generate any additional sales.
    Similarly, the masked laughing skull bug is a store mount when that faction could have just had it as a rep reward.

    At some point you need to take a step back and accept that you’re:

    -paying a $60+ box price for the game
    -paying $15 a month to play that game

    And neither of those two things give you access to everything the game has to offer without shelling out more money. We’re not even talking about $10 store mounts, $3 toys and $5 pets, we’re talking $35 mounts and $10 pets and toys.
    still cosmetics , they dont make you better in raids or pvp
    it doesnt ruin the game in anyway dont buy them , never bought any shop item never will
    other crap games like fortnite sell a weapon skin for 25 eu and none cares.
    and btw do you know what is a unique mount , the mounts you get from glory of the raider achievments and mythic bosses

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Tim View Post
    I just miss back in the day when this didn't exist and when consumers weirdly didn't try to defend companies nickel and diming them.
    Yeah, well, I'm a child of 60s, I miss many things from my childhood as well.
    But the world has moved on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niztheundead87 View Post
    still cosmetics , they dont make you better in raids or pvp
    it doesnt ruin the game in anyway dont buy them , never bought any shop item never will
    other crap games like fortnite sell a weapon skin for 25 eu and none cares.
    and btw do you know what is a unique mount , the mounts you get from glory of the raider achievments and mythic bosses
    Comparing WoW with a F2P game is #$&!ing disingenuous, and you know it... don't you?
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  15. #135
    Just a tip: Dont buy these things until december sale...25-50% off....renember this
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  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Comparing WoW with a F2P game is #$&!ing disingenuous, and you know it... don't you?
    so you are ok when a f2p game sells a weapos skin for 25 eu
    or when total war selled the chaos faction as dlc
    or when ea sells stuff worse than this all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by niztheundead87 View Post
    so you are ok when a f2p game sells a weapos skin for 25 eu
    or when total war selled the chaos faction as dlc
    or when ea sells stuff worse than this all the time
    Other companies doing scummy things do not make Blizzard doing (almost) the same any better. And my point from the post you quoted still stands.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    Thrall will humblebrag about how he doesn't want it [to be Warchief].
    Saurfang'll probably die or say he's 'too tired'.
    Baine will gasp for air as he plops Anduin's boot out of his mouth and say 'I'll be High King of the Horde!'.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Other companies doing scummy things do not make Blizzard doing (almost) the same any better. And my point from the post you quoted still stands.
    apex legends a f2p game sells stuff for premium aka exp boosts , faster item rewards and faster leveling so if you dont buy them you are not on the same level as a premium player , which makes it kinda enfocring to buy them .we are talking about stuff that actually make you better in game. p2w.so in the end it is not f2p at all.


    wow a sub based game sells toys , cosmetics only , that by no means affect your game play , will never make you any better in raids ,dungeons or pvp .
    the items sold are supposed to support the esports .if you dont buy them it will never make you feel like you are a no premium player.

    whining about toys is what is disturbing

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by niztheundead87 View Post
    still cosmetics , they dont make you better in raids or pvp
    it doesnt ruin the game in anyway dont buy them , never bought any shop item never will
    other crap games like fortnite sell a weapon skin for 25 eu and none cares.
    and btw do you know what is a unique mount , the mounts you get from glory of the raider achievments and mythic bosses
    Cosmetics or not, they are exclusive to the store. That's acceptable practice for free to play, or buy to play games. Not for buy, pay a sub, and here's extra stuff to pay for in store game like WoW. It absolutely ruins the game because it charges different fees three times over.
    Nobody cares about $25 Fortnite skins because the game is free to play. Having some unique mounts in game is no justification for store mounts. Blizzard is charging us monthly fees then uses that money to create store mounts and sell them to us, instead of creating interesting game content and rewards.
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  20. #140
    I'm all for store items (as long as they aren't gamebreaking or giving advantage in game in any kind of way). Toys, transmogs, mounts; who cares. Let people spend gold & money. If you aren't interested in them then don't buy them.
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