House Oversight Chairman cites massive obstruction by Trump, Barr

[Mormolyce]

House Oversight Chairman Cites ‘Massive’ Obstruction by Trump, Barr

The Democratic chairman of the House Oversight Committee accused the Trump administration of a “massive, unprecedented, and growing pattern of obstruction” for ordering federal employees not to comply with congressional investigations.

“Both President Trump and Attorney General Barr are now openly ordering federal employees to ignore congressional subpoenas and simply not show up – without any assertion of a valid legal privilege,” U.S. Representative Elijah Cummings said in a statement.

The Justice Department on Wednesday rebuffed the House Oversight and Reform Committee, which had sought to interview an official involved in the Trump administration’s decision to put a citizenship question on the 2020 U.S. Census.

The department said John Gore, a deputy assistant attorney general in the Civil Rights Division, would not participate in a deposition scheduled for Thursday if he could not have a Justice Department lawyer at his side. The committee had offered to allow a lawyer to sit in a different room.

Cummings said the subpoena issued to Gore was adopted on a bipartisan basis and that there was no privilege asserted by the White House or Justice Department that would preclude him from appearing.

“This is a massive, unprecedented, and growing pattern of obstruction,” Cummings said, warning the federal employees to “think very carefully about their own legal interests” in refusing to comply with the panel’s requests.

https://ijr.com/house-chairman-cites...ruction-trump/

This is just a straight up constitutional crisis.

[Vatrilian]

https://ijr.com/house-chairman-cites...ruction-trump/

This is just a straight up constitutional crisis.

We just had a special council for 2 1/2 years, spent millions of dollars, and had the power of the grand jury and they found no evidence of wrongdoing. Not many people in Washington can survive that especially when there was no crime, but a blanket investigation. The only enforcement mechanism of a subpoena is the justice department. The 2020 census question will be decided and expected to be confirmed by the Supreme court.

[Mormolyce]

We just had a special council for 2 1/2 years, spent millions of dollars, and had the power of the grand jury and they found no evidence of wrongdoing.

They found heaps of evidence of wrongdoing. Read the report.

[Dontrike]

We just had a special council for 2 1/2 years, spent millions of dollars, and had the power of the grand jury and they found no evidence of wrongdoing.

What the hell does any of that have to do with people being subpeona'd and not showing up? It's the law and they must. Why are Barr and Trump so afraid of people answering questions honestly?

[rda]

Stop spamming the forum with threads on the same topic, post this BS in the Mueller thread.

[D Luniz]

Stop spamming the forum with threads on the same topic, post this BS in the Mueller thread.

Read the damn article before spouting off
this is about obstruction on the issue of the 2020 census citizen question they want to add, not the Mueller report

[Dontrike]

Stop spamming the forum with threads on the same topic, post this BS in the Mueller thread.

This has nothing to do with the Mueller investigation and instead how Barr and Trump are choosing to break the law. Not everything is related to Mueller.

[rda]

First, this is a duplicate thread, see this one (also by Mormolyce, also should not be a separate thread):

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ional-subpoena

Second, this is about Mueller, read the other thread.

[Togashii]

This isn't about the Mueller report though, nor is it a duplicate thread.

Why do you want this thread taken down so badly is the question

Those turnips don't earn themselves! With this effort, might be shooting for a potato?

[Adam Jensen]

We just had a special council for 2 1/2 years, spent millions of dollars, and had the power of the grand jury and they found no evidence of wrongdoing. Not many people in Washington can survive that especially when there was no crime, but a blanket investigation. The only enforcement mechanism of a subpoena is the justice department. The 2020 census question will be decided and expected to be confirmed by the Supreme court.

Ugh.

The report even says "we have evidence of wrongdoing and attempted wrongdoing but we're kicking this ball into Congress's court."

It explicitly said it did not find Trump innocent.

[Healing Rain]

An innocent person can't obstruct justice against themselves. End of story. Donald Trump has had to deal with a hostile media, so if anything the media were the ones obstructing justice.

[Dontrike]

An innocent person can't obstruct justice against themselves.

I know you won't respond, but this is incredibly untrue.

[Adam Jensen]

An innocent person can't obstruct justice against themselves. End of story. Donald Trump has had to deal with a hostile media, so if anything the media were the ones obstructing justice.

Yes you can. If there's an investigation against you, even if you're innocent, interfering is obstruction.

Of course you're a drive by poster so why I bother is beyond me.

[Kasierith]

An innocent person can't obstruct justice against themselves. End of story. Donald Trump has had to deal with a hostile media, so if anything the media were the ones obstructing justice.

Bill Clinton's impeachment directly contradicts this.

[Sky High]

We just had a special council for 2 1/2 years, spent millions of dollars, and had the power of the grand jury and they found no evidence of wrongdoing. Not many people in Washington can survive that especially when there was no crime, but a blanket investigation. The only enforcement mechanism of a subpoena is the justice department. The 2020 census question will be decided and expected to be confirmed by the Supreme court.

Stop lying, liar. Not sure why anyone bothers responding to you other than to point that fact out.

[Orbitus]

We just had a special council for 2 1/2 years, spent millions of dollars, and had the power of the grand jury and they found no evidence of wrongdoing. Not many people in Washington can survive that especially when there was no crime, but a blanket investigation. The only enforcement mechanism of a subpoena is the justice department. The 2020 census question will be decided and expected to be confirmed by the Supreme court.

Someone didn't read the report. The fact that you think they found no evidence of wrongdoing, is fucking hilarious.

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Bill Clinton's impeachment directly contradicts this.

Same with Martha Stewart, she was exonerated of her crime, but convicted of obstruction of justice.

[jeezusisacasual]

We just had a special council for 2 1/2 years, spent millions of dollars, and had the power of the grand jury and they found no evidence of wrongdoing. Not many people in Washington can survive that especially when there was no crime, but a blanket investigation. The only enforcement mechanism of a subpoena is the justice department. The 2020 census question will be decided and expected to be confirmed by the Supreme court.

Actually the entire investigation has produced more money then it cost to run it by a decent amount at that also, so atleast there is that.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

We just had a special council for 2 1/2 years, spent millions of dollars, and had the power of the grand jury and they found no evidence of wrongdoing. Not many people in Washington can survive that especially when there was no crime, but a blanket investigation. The only enforcement mechanism of a subpoena is the justice department. The 2020 census question will be decided and expected to be confirmed by the Supreme court.

They did find evidence of wrong doing... It why 30+ indictments happened. The investigation cost 25 million but seized 48 million. If you care so much about wasting money on investigations you should really be mad at the Gop.

[Drutt]

An innocent person can't obstruct justice against themselves. End of story. Donald Trump has had to deal with a hostile media, so if anything the media were the ones obstructing justice.

This is simply wrong. Even objectively innocent people can commit obstruction of justice if interfering with investigations into themselves. The whole point is that if someone is obstructive justice, it can interfere with your ability to secure a conviction on a different charge due to potential destruction of evidence, witness tampering, etc.

Obstruction of Justice is a self contained charge. Only an absolute idiot would obstruct justice on an investigation into themselves if they're innocent of the original charge.

[SirBeef]

Stop spamming the forum with threads on the same topic, post this BS in the Mueller thread.

Learn to read dear. This is about post Mueller obstruction.