View Poll Results: Who would hate the horde most

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  • Humans

    17 12.78%
  • Worgen

    11 8.27%
  • Draenei

    22 16.54%
  • Night Elves

    56 42.11%
  • High Elves

    2 1.50%
  • None or Other or Cant Decide

    25 18.80%
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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    Ah, ok, it has been a (long) while since i played through “Warcraft III”, so the Night elves were “merely” defending their lands from invaders, how dare they! /sarcasm
    for people who have so much "respect" of life, killing of sentient beings just because they are cutting trees when they didn't know the forest was occupied, yeah how dare they

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    for people who have so much "respect" of life, killing of sentient beings just because they are cutting trees when they didn't know the forest was occupied, yeah how dare they
    As is apparent from the first few quests in the NE starting zone, the Kaldorei respect life, but if something upsets the balance of nature (Say, by clear-cutting it), they kill it, nothing out of character there.

    Remember that the logging operation Grom started wasn’t just “Cut half a dozen trees to make huts”, but lopping down lots of trees, with goblin shredders (If you find the neutral goblins out there, IIRC)

  3. #83
    Orcs. They have been stripped of their rightful ruler, Garrosh Hellscream and neutered in the result.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    Orcs. They have been stripped of their rightful ruler, Garrosh Hellscream and neutered in the result.
    I dont think it would be wrong to say orcs have been their own worst enemy

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    As is apparent from the first few quests in the NE starting zone, the Kaldorei respect life, but if something upsets the balance of nature (Say, by clear-cutting it), they kill it, nothing out of character there.

    Remember that the logging operation Grom started wasn’t just “Cut half a dozen trees to make huts”, but lopping down lots of trees, with goblin shredders (If you find the neutral goblins out there, IIRC)
    They killed the humans too though, and they weren't cutting as much as the Orcs did.

  6. #86
    Nelfs, they gave orcs a second chance [twice] and got genocided for their troubles
    Twas brillig

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    I dont think it would be wrong to say orcs have been their own worst enemy
    No, other races have been though.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Void Fallen View Post
    No? Because Azshara didn't tell her to order the Wrathgate, nuke Gilneas and Southshore using chemical weapons, and allow the construction of a concentration camp for Humans?
    Don't forget the burning of a world tree because of a single statement from one night elf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    for people who have so much "respect" of life, killing of sentient beings just because they are cutting trees when they didn't know the forest was occupied, yeah how dare they
    Sentient beings under the control of demons, mind you. They could have negotiated before starting with the tree cutting. You know, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. But no. It's orc want, orc take.

    Not that Tyrande hasn't granted Orgrimmar the use of Aszhara's ressources after SoO. Look how that turned out for the nelves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotEleven View Post
    Don't forget the burning of a world tree because of a single statement from one night elf.
    Not to mention the mass murder of almost all citizens of a racial capital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    As is apparent from the first few quests in the NE starting zone, the Kaldorei respect life, but if something upsets the balance of nature (Say, by clear-cutting it), they kill it, nothing out of character there.
    there is no "upseting the balance of nature" there, they were just gathering some lumber, even trolls and furbolgs do that, they literally just start, there was no way of then to "upset the balance", they were just morons and got what they deserve.

    Remember that the logging operation Grom started wasn’t just “Cut half a dozen trees to make huts”, but lopping down lots of trees, with goblin shredders (If you find the neutral goblins out there, IIRC)
    this only happen after the night elves attack btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    Sentient beings under the control of demons, mind you.
    orcs were not in control of demons, mind you.
    They could have negotiated before starting with the tree cutting. You know, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. But no. It's orc want, orc take.
    you want then to negotiated with people they don't even know that exist? funny
    Not that Tyrande hasn't granted Orgrimmar the use of Aszhara's ressources after SoO. Look how that turned out for the nelves...
    she grant it something we already had it

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Knight View Post
    They killed Cenarius after becoming corrupted by demon blood, at this point they were under the Legion's sway. Shortly after this they even turned on the Horde and attacked them.
    They're still a horde race. A race of weak willed people that chose to drink the blood.

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    Right now it's obviously night elves, but humans would be the race more susceptible to feeling hate and having vengeful feelings. The sacking of Stormwind by the Horde of orcs from Draenor was as atrocious as the burning of Teldrassil. Draenei don't seem to be a race to harbor so much hatred like humans do despite how much they've been victimized. Worgen must hate the Horde as much as humans hated orcs back after the first war. Worgen count as humans, no? I mean they are Gilneans, so it's definitely humans/worgen in general. I think night elves must hate Sylvanas the individual more than Forsaken as a whole. The burning is solely on Sylvanas' hands, it wasn't the Forsaken collectively gathering around and saying "fuck these night elves, let's burn this tree down." Blood is on Sylvanas' hands, she started the fire.

    Even Genn is seeing that not all Forsaken are heartless undead, Sylvanas just gives them all a bad name.

    If High Elves hate anyone, it was Arthas and the Scourge/Lich King, that wasn't the Forsaken that nearly wiped them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highelf View Post
    They're still a horde race. A race of weak willed people that chose to drink the blood.
    I am reading the question as actions taken while actively part of the Horde under Horde authority/orders. I mean, otherwise the question becomes pointless, as the Alliance races (Eredar and Night Elves) have done more damage than everyone else combined, and this would include the example above of demons corrupting Orcs.

    It is also hard to take seriously one named Highelf with the #Garithoswasright, given how contemptuous Garithos was of Elves. I sense unhealthy levels of self-hate. Perhaps consider therapy.

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    It's a simple question really. And just because the orcs are too weak willed and dumb to realize corruption when the see, does not excuse them from the atrocities they committed both on Draenor and Azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    there is no "upseting the balance of nature" there, they were just gathering some lumber, even trolls and furbolgs do that, they literally just start, there was no way of then to "upset the balance", they were just morons and got what they deserve.



    this only happen after the night elves attack btw

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    orcs were not in control of demons, mind you.


    you want then to negotiated with people they don't even know that exist? funny


    she grant it something we already had it
    No, orcs were controlled by demons through the blood of Mannoroth.
    She granted them the use WITHOUT resistance from the nelves.
    How can they not know they exist when they have settlements throughout Ashenvale, Darkshore? Funny. Orcs were invaders, hostiles. Not like the Draenei who crashlanded and sought refuge. No they came to conquer. To bring destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    No, orcs were controlled by demons through the blood of Mannoroth.
    they were not and there was no freaking way to the elves even know orcs did drink it on the past, and they were not controlled, not until grom drank from the corrupted fountain

    She granted them the use WITHOUT resistance from the nelves.
    who mean nothing in the end
    How can they not know they exist when they have settlements throughout Ashenvale, Darkshore? Funny. Orcs were invaders, hostiles.
    they didn't saw nothing, they just enter the borders of the forest, there was no way of then to know there was people living there, and mind you, night elves can literally stay invisible

    Not like the Draenei who crashlanded and sought refuge. No they came to conquer. To bring destruction.
    Draenei bring the burning legion with then, they brought destruction and corruption for every world they land, god know how many of then

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    Yeah... I don't think there's any competition.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilian View Post
    Why do you count the Scourge attack as part of the suffering caused by the Horde?
    Also, I would say that victims of said attacks were the Horde.
    I give my flesh and blood freely to the Warchief. I am the instrument of my Warchief's desire. I am a weapon of my Warchief's command.
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  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    If You Discovered
    iSylvanas' appointment and war effort was manipulated by Queen Azshara and she is the one truly responsible for Teldrassil and the whole BFA war

    • Would you be willing to give Sylvanas a chance to prove her mettle?
    • Would you accept the night elves able to put aside their anger at the horde for Teldrassil to take down Azshara and N'Zoth?

    If it turns out that Sylvanas discovers she was manipulated and ends up being the key reason we are eventually able to take out N'zoth and she ends up doing something greatly heroic by springing a trap that would have killed Tyrande and the rest of the night elf forces who were in a strategic position to end the threat and her sacrifice is what allows Tyrande to finish Azshara/N'zoth and save a trapped Anduin.
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    Idk at this point it's not only the shoddy ingame story but how the devs treated The Burning of Teldrassil. I mean, they practically made it a meme, a joke. IF and only if they intened to make clear that it was an atrocious act, then they should have put more focus on the struggle of the victims. But after the act, nelves and their tragedy were not more than a side note.

    The Tides of Vengeance just showed that. The devs put so little effort into the Tyrande scenario, it was a spit in the face of nelf players. They didn't even bother to use Tyrandes ingame model for the scenario, they just used a player model. On the other side, everyone and their mother gets kick ass cinematics on Horde side.

    There is nothing to salvage, because at this point, Blizzard's lesson is simply: Genocide is fun, it makes for great memes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
    Yeah... I don't think there's any competition.
    That wasn't The Horde, though. It was the orcs on Draenor. Not the same thing.

  20. #100
    Until this expansion - draenei, now they are on par. But if there's somebody the night elves should hate more than Horde, are the good for nothing writers,who,for all these years made them look like total weaklings,who need the help of Stormwind to deal with every single crap. A once proud and independent nation,who was capable to strike fear in hearts of humans and orcs,are fully dependent on a military support of an incompetent leader with useless advisors.

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