Dear god, you just caused a Star Wars trilogy written by Golden and Danuser.
Although I guess they could tag along with the one that's going to be made by Dumb and Dumber. They'd be the producers, Danuser and Golden would write the script and Rian Johnson would direct it. Instant classic right there. Especially if Tommy Wiseau plays all the roles.
It's so obvious that Tyrion betrayed Danny because he is biased towards his home and family. Why did Danny trust him on invading his own family's home? And did Danny really not punish him for freeing Jaime? She punished Varys for much less with death. Tyrion was basically wrong about everything in the last few seasons.
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You say the Horde is weak willed, freak out when its pointed out with the same type of examples can be applied to literally anything in the WoW universe, cant defend a point or even use a term correctly, and end every single one of your posts with a passive aggressive smiley because your point has no actual ground to stand on.
Every single one of your responses is the exact same nonsense trying to pass off as wise critique but, yea I'm the one talking in circles. You do you.
But atleast you finally ditched the pretense of argument so that's some slight progress.
I don't know I can at least understand Dany, all the buildup to this spot and her people peel off one by one doubting and conspiring at the final hour. I don't like it but I can understand it and it fits with that dark underlying they have always had with her. Sylvanas just... welp she's off the cliff of zero hope and most of her recent actions fly in the face of her explained purpose and knowledge she is supposed to have had. I mean she cant even keep the Horde together and that's her one job. Better to just end it in the most satisfying way possible for the playerbase. Be it the full on Poochy, or ideally just make her a really fun raid boss with some great Transmog options.
It's actually impressive how well the problems match up, even just when it comes to their opposition. While retroactively Cersei was clearly the best monarch out of the remaining three candidates, and managed to be fiscally responsible, avoid any pointless casualties against the largely harmless zombies and offered refuge to innocents in her keep, you have to keep the rest in mind too.
Jon is effectively the Baine or Saurfang of the equation. We're told he's the heart of the people and everyone loves him, but there's really no reason why, nor is this ever shown to us beyond the small insular cast. Dude has only fucked up non-stop since he got stabbed for falling to a literal cardboard cut out. Then he ran in alone into a cavalry charge and got all his men killed and got crowned for it, with everyone praising his excellent leadership and wisdom. Then he hooks up with Dany, all well and good. Next time he has any decision making power, he sends their magically respawning Dothraki to all die and proceeds to do nothing of value in the entire fight. From this everyone seems to gleam that he's somehow suited for leadership, culminating with when he can't even keep his own equally as magically respawning troops from going on a raping spree and barely even attempts to, despite being told that he's so loved and respected. So loved and respected that his own guys try to kill him when he does his one deed of the episode of trying to stop a rape.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
You got called out on your head canon and "horde" are no different, and your argument is, well others have done it too. YOU brought that up, no one else. You haven't once expanded on or attempted to have a decent polite discussion or debate. You just assume people that don't agree with you are lower than you, not as learned as you or something else entirely. Every single one of your posts has some sort of snarky passive aggressive remark hidden within it or...at the end(see above quote)
But hey if that works for you man, you do you brother
But hey, at least hopefully you can start to realize you're not always right and that you do the exact same things that you complain that you think others do to you. So hopefully that's some slight progress.
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Good Queen Cersei, who honorably refuses to shoot her exposed opponent and her dragon during parley or even hurt the brother she's hated her entire life. So great is her benevolence that despite outnumbering the siege-weapon less morons and their respawned army in front of her city, she doesn't attack them either until the dragon flies in, also out of a sense of fair play.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
But @Wildberry didn't even contest it being the most played and popular Allied Race. Given how the rest of your reply here simply follows from this misrepresentation, nothing in it makes actual sense.
Yes, you were talking about the Horde only. Except your point about the Horde only is special pleading, which is exactly what @Friendlyimmolation tried to point out to you.
Well, there's Blan. Different kind of bland from Blanduin, sure, but on the other hand both of them are primarily plot devices instead of actual characters at this point. There are other similarities as well.
Then just leave it at that. Why bring it what he thinks are "philosophies" in to it?
the "horde" and especially the orcs are extremely weak willed and easily manipulated...very easily. period. That's what I originally stated and that's the underlying truth of anything else that gets mentioned. period.
Yeah, as @Mehrunes has pointed out I haven't really contested the statistics. At all. I've only pointed out population numbers=/=fans of a race's lore. That's not really a difficult point to grasp. For some reason, you're tripping all over yourself trying to imply something that I haven't done. Congratulations on that.
As far as "name calling" goes, sometimes people are called names because the name caller is losing. Other times the names are just accurate descriptors. Given that you don't seem to have a handle on the substance of this point, I think it's pretty obvious which one of those is the case.
And where did I bring politics into this?
Season 1-4 Tyrion, absolute amazing character, possibly my favorite. Season 5-8 Tyrion... who the fuck are you? Fuck off somewheres please and die xD
He didn't get shit done in Mirreen(?), he tells her to leave her boyfriend who is quite efficient at getting shit down, behind cause it might not look good bringing him(like anyone who is gonna side with her gives two shits) then once they get there, tells her to not use her foreign armies or dragons and that wont look good either, which then Yarra(?) her fleet and the leaders of Dorne taken out, his dipshit idea to attack a useless castle gets Dany's fleet wiped out and her unsullied stuck across Westeros while the Lannisters take out Ollenna and her forces and their gold, which is use to buy an elite army of 20k(in the books, they're badass). Her really is a shitty military adviser and that doesn't include his mistakes in trying to do a truce with Cercei when Dany is ready to just wiped the bitch out, and thus leads to the Night King getting a dragon, which causes the Long(week or two) Night to begin and gives Cersei even more time to build up her defenses... which gets another dragon killed and MySundae executed. He also reveals Jon's parentage to Varys who at this point, wasn't having issue with Dany, but then leads to the dude trying to poison her and try to get jon to turn on her, which he then throws under the bus, to only then go and free his brother who is now an enemy... Sorry rant, I just hate how stupid this character is now
She hasn't had a chance yet, but she's going to based on the leaks posted over 5 months ago, that so far are correct...And did Danny really not punish him for freeing Jaime?
Euron's fleet takes down Rhaegal.
Jaime betrays the North. Missandei is captured.
Dany's army captures Jaime. Brienne tries to talk to him but he refuses.
Sansa tells Tyrion about Jon's lineage. Tyrion tells Varys.
Varys betrays Dany because he thinks Jon would be a better ruler.
Cersei has Missandei executed.
Dany has Varys executed. Dany assaults King's Landing and it's one-sided as hell.
Tyrion begs her to show mercy but she refuses.
Tyrion frees Jaime to try to get Cersei out of the city.
King's Landing gets wrecked in the battle. Drogon burns Euron's fleet.
The Hound fights his brother. They both die.
Jaime fights Euron and kills him, but Jaime is mortally wounded.
Jaime makes it to Cersei and they die together.
Dany is executing everyone in King's Landing. Jon and Tyrion are upset.
Dany has Tyrion arrested to be executed for freeing Jaime.
Tyrion tries to convince Jon that his family will never be safe because his lineage makes him a threat to Dany's rule.
Jon tries to talk to Dany but she justifies her actions.
Jon pledges himself to Dany but then stabs her, then surrenders himself.
A council gets formed to decide who the King should be. Tyrion gives a speech and everyone votes on Bran to become King. The end.
In the epilogue, Jon takes the black again for killing Dany. Arya leaves. Sansa rules the North. Bran oversees his council of Tyrion, Davos, Sam, and Bronn.
It's kinda similar to Sylvanas, except Baine killed fellow Horde members to free an enemy and has a system in place where he can challenge his "queen" for leadership.
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