Vertigo12's Wild Theories: BEYOND THE DARK PORTAL - Azeroth's Other Portal will be un

[rhorle]

Saronite is a blood of an old god thereby also leeched from the very lifeblood of Azeroth. It's like a blood of a host being used as sustainance for a hemophagous specie such as a mosquito and thereby using that blood as her own.

So now you are claiming that Saronite is really Azerite? Mosquitoes do not use human blood as their own blood. They have hemolymph like many insects. They feed off of blood. Just as the old gods were feeding off of the energy of Azeroth.

[Schattenlied]

It's the other way around. A car cannot run without diesel. The same thing with Well of Eternity being a portal without a powering source.

Wrong, it's not the other way around, the WoE is the fuel, not the vehicle. The well was a source of energy used to cast a portal spell, it is not the portal itself.

I believe when Amanthul ripped Y'Shaarj, it became a still body of titan blood. It wasn't violent and raging like what the Maelstrom is.

Also incorrect, and I've already given you word of god proof in this thread that it's incorrect. Blizzard said that it was in fact violent and raging.

"Volatile arcane energies---the lifeblood of the nascent titan---erupted from the scar and roiled out across the world."

Also, further proof that it was not a still body:

"A constant stream of volatile arcane energy bled from the colossal rift, lashing out across the world. The keepers knew that, if left unattended, these energies would consume Azeroth over time."


That's violent and raging, buddy. It only settled into a pool because the Titans created the well to stabilize the wound.

until they finally learned and mastered its ultimate and final form which is a portal.

No, wrong. It's "final form" is just being a big mana battery.

Again, for the last fucking time

it's

just

AZERITE.

[vertigo12]

Where’s your lore sources for WORLD TREES not great trees are used to stop saronite.

So if saronite seeps into the ground does it rain saronite?

Seeps up. Not into the ground. It's like it's oozing out or crusting.

[rhorle]

It has always been a portal but can be used under specific condition. Similar to LotR entrance to Misty Mountain. It was always a door but it can only be accessed on Durin's day but it remains to be a part of the mountain wall on normal condition similar to Well of Eternity being just a pool of Azeroth lifeblood

Because that was a door created from the mountain. You are saying that every mountain is a door because a door was created from a mountain. The well can be used to create a portal but is not a portal itself.

[vertigo12]

So now you are claiming that Saronite is really Azerite? Mosquitoes do not use human blood as their own blood. They have hemolymph like many insects. They feed off of blood. Just as the old gods were feeding off of the energy of Azeroth.

I'm not saying they use human blood as their own blood. It is incompatible. But once they ingest it, it becomes part of their system, their own blood as well.

Saronite=Azerite. Perhaps not as we thought but perhaps the blood of N'Zoth. For all we know what we are farming will release N'Zoth from his prison eventually.

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Because that was a door created from the mountain. You are saying that every mountain is a door because a door was created from a mountain. The well can be used to create a portal but is not a portal itself.

Because the Well of Eternity was created along with its portal like qualities. A mountain can be any portal if someone else would like to use it as such not until then it is latently,dormantly and temporarily not a tunnel.

A mountain could just be a sleeping volcano or used to be a volcano milions of years ago. Doesn't mean it is no longer erupting it aint one.

A wooden table will always be made out of a tree because every tree can become a table if one wishes to use it as such.

There is a latent and dormant state or phase in every existing things.

A water can be steam or ice. As long as it is the same property and element.

[rhorle]

I'm not saying they use human blood as their own blood. It is incompatible. But once they ingest it, it becomes part of their system, their own blood as well. Saronite=Azerite. Perhaps not as we thought but perhaps the blood of N'Zoth. For all we know what we are farming will release N'Zoth from his prison eventually.

Not it doesn't. Insects do not even use the same type of blood. Saronite is not Azerite. The old gods, and their blood, existed prior to using Azeroth as a host. So are you a doughnut? Because that is literally what you are saying. That buy eating a doughnut you become part doughnut.

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Because the Well of Eternity was created along with its portal like qualities. A mountain can be any portal if someone else would like to use it as such not until then it is latently amd temporarily not a tunnel. A wooden table will always be made out of a tree becayse every tree can become a table if one wishes to use it as such.

So a mountain is not a door or tunnel until used as such. The the well is not a portal until it is used for a portal. Every tree is not a wooden table until someone makes a table. Yet the well of eternity has always been a portal because someone made a portal out of it.

You are applying different logic here and I am not sure why. If what you say is true about the well then it would be true about everything that is used as something. But you have clearly stated that a Mountain and a Tree are not their end products. The well was formed from killing an old god and removing it from the host. That isn't a portal. The Well was given a band aid to stop it from destroying Azeroth. That does not make it a portal.

It was used to make a portal. But when that portal was closed it ceased to be a portal.

[Triceron]

Saronite=Azerite.

Nope. Doesn't make sense and you're headcanoning a lot to make your theory work, including this.

You're using some hefty leaps of logic to sustain that argument. It just doesn't work because we know they're two different things, no matter how many connections you try to string the two. Saronite is Saronite, Azerite is Azerite.

I mean this is as bad as the fake rumors of Azerite being Azsharite and Azshara being the one seeding this macguffin material to promote war between the two factions. It just doesn't work narratively.

[vertigo12]

My point is that if they had done something other than time travel in WOD, they could have easily built up a new villain. There's really no reason it 'had' to be Gul'dan to raise the tomb of sargeras. They could have introduced any sort of powerful warlock in 6.0 and built them up to that role in 7.0. The only thing it being Gul'dan added was fanservice sending him into the tomb of sargeras again.

They sticked with bringing up Gul'dan. Nothing wrong with that since I like to give credit where credit is given. Plus there is no more need for additional expenditure of time,effort, and lots of thinking to come up with something when there is already something existing.

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Not it doesn't. Insects do not even use the same type of blood. Saronite is not Azerite. The old gods, and their blood, existed prior to using Azeroth as a host. So are you a doughnut? Because that is literally what you are saying. That buy eating a doughnut you become part doughnut.

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So a mountain is not a door or tunnel until used as such. The the well is not a portal until it is used for a portal. Every tree is not a wooden table until someone makes a table. Yet the well of eternity has always been a portal because someone made a portal out of it.

You are applying different logic here and I am not sure why. If what you say is true about the well then it would be true about everything that is used as something. But you have clearly stated that a Mountain and a Tree are not their end products. The well was formed from killing an old god and removing it from the host. That isn't a portal. The Well was given a band aid to stop it from destroying Azeroth. That does not make it a portal.

It was used to make a portal. But when that portal was closed it ceased to be a portal.

Should be the other way around. The doughnut become a part of you. Which is true. Whatever it is made of becomes part of your system. If it's lots of sugar and butter then , yes you become fat and become diabetic.


The portal is not yet closed. It's merely not accessed. Or it's shut down. But once somebody decide to use it again the word portal gets reapplied once again. Actually it was being accessed but it was suspended and halted. Remember Malfurion amd Tyrande trying to stop Azshara by stealing the Dragon Soul so the process becomes incomplete and thereby halting the procedure?

That was the story of hownit was made. An old god slammed into the surface and attached itself to deep. A mad titan decided to remove it ,what left was a wound then decided to conver it into a "well".

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Nope. Doesn't make sense and you're headcanoning a lot to make your theory work, including this.

You're using some hefty leaps of logic to sustain that argument. It just doesn't work because we know they're two different things, no matter how many connections you try to string the two. Saronite is Saronite, Azerite is Azerite.

I mean this is as bad as the fake rumors of Azerite being Azsharite and Azshara being the one seeding this macguffin material to promote war between the two factions. It just doesn't work narratively.

I'm not saying that Azerite is Saron's blood. What I am saying is it could be the blood of another old god mistakenly labeled as Azeroth's very lifeblood or it is what it is yet it is contaminated already.

[jackofwind]

But once they ingest it, it becomes part of their system, their own blood as well.

Lol, what?

Every time you eat pizza you don't become part pizza. Using something as a fuel source doesn't literally incorporate it into your body.

[rhorle]

The portal is not yet closed. It's merely not accessed. Or it's shut down. But once somebody decide to use it again the word portal gets reapplied once again.

So shut down doesn't mean the same as closed? The portal is no longer open. The legion can not enter through the Well of Eternity. The actual well doesn't exist anymore. You are claiming that every portal every opened on Azeroth remains a portal? How is the world not destroyed from hundreds of portals just hanging around forever?

You can build a sand castle out of sand. All sand is not a sand castle. You can destroy that sand castle returning it to sand. That sand does not remain a castle for all eternity. It remains sand. It has the potential to be made into a sand castle again.

Magic can be used to create a portal. You can close that portal returning the magic to a inert state. All magic is not a portal. Magic does not remain a portal forever. It remains magic. It has the potential to be made into a portal again because magic can be used to make a portal.

[Triceron]

I'm not saying that Azerite is Saron's blood. What I am saying is it could be the blood of another old god mistakenly labeled as Azeroth's very lifeblood or it is what it is yet it is contaminated already.

Like I said, that is narratively confusing and dishonest to the audience.

That's like somehow making Azshara was behind the whole Azerite war by saying she seeded it. It undermines the entire Azerite narrative if Blizzard ever goes that route. The whole idea is this material being there and the Alliance and Horde are motivated by their own interests to perpetuate war with each other. You don't need Old God interference to explain it.

Even if the Old Gods are known to be manipulative, they don't need to be the source behind every evil deed in the world.

[vertigo12]

So shut down doesn't mean the same as closed? The portal is no longer open. The legion can not enter through the Well of Eternity. The actual well doesn't exist anymore. You are claiming that every portal every opened on Azeroth remains a portal? How is the world not destroyed from hundreds of portals just hanging around forever?

You can build a sand castle out of sand. All sand is not a sand castle. You can destroy that sand castle returning it to sand. That sand does not remain a castle for all eternity. It remains sand. It has the potential to be made into a sand castle again.

Magic can be used to create a portal. You can close that portal returning the magic to a inert state. All magic is not a portal. Magic does not remain a portal forever. It remains magic. It has the potential to be made into a portal again because magic can be used to make a portal.

So it is both a portal and not a portal.
A cat in a bag can be both dead and alive, not until it is observed.

[rhorle]

That was the story of hownit was made. An old god slammed into the surface and attached itself to deep. A mad titan decided to remove it ,what left was a wound then decided to conver it into a "well".

And at no point does that mean portal. Unless you are now saying that all old gods are portals. The titan also wasn't mad. It did what you would do to any foreign body. You remove it. Removing it caused a lot of damage so the rest were imprisoned. The wound was turned into a well to contain the damage because it could not be healed. It was sealed up with wards to contain it at one site.

It was not a portal until Azshara created a connection between the location of the well and the location of Sargeras. She used the power of the well to fuel the portal. In order for what you say to be true the Old god would have had to create a portal between Azeroth and Sargeras at the time it was killed. Or the keepers would have had to create a portal between Sargeras and Azeroth when they built the well. It has not always been a portal and ceased to be a portal once the War of Ancients was over.

The Well is the power source. A battery does not remain a toy after you remove it from the toy. It powers the toy for the same amount of time that it is in the toy.

[Florena]

They sticked with bringing up Gul'dan. Nothing wrong with that since I like to give credit where credit is given. Plus there is no more need for additional expenditure of time,effort, and lots of thinking to come up with something when there is already something existing.

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Should be the other way around. The doughnut become a part of you. Which is true. Whatever it is made of becomes part of your system. If it's lots of sugar and butter then , yes you become fat and become diabetic.


The portal is not yet closed. It's merely not accessed. Or it's shut down. But once somebody decide to use it again the word portal gets reapplied once again. Actually it was being accessed but it was suspended and halted. Remember Malfurion amd Tyrande trying to stop Azshara by stealing the Dragon Soul so the process becomes incomplete and thereby halting the procedure?

That was the story of hownit was made. An old god slammed into the surface and attached itself to deep. A mad titan decided to remove it ,what left was a wound then decided to conver it into a "well".

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I'm not saying that Azerite is Saron's blood. What I am saying is it could be the blood of another old god mistakenly labeled as Azeroth's very lifeblood or it is what it is yet it is contaminated already.

My comment about Gul'dan is mostly stemming from this tidbit here. "The storyline of Legion would be incoherent if not for the existence of the then already dead, Gul'dan."

I don't mind that they used Gul'dan from WOD to bridge into Legion. Gul'dan was one of the things about WOD that mostly worked. My point is just that they could have created a new villain to fill that role and the story would still work just fine. I'm disagreeing that Legion's story would have suffered if it had been a new villain built up into that role instead of AU Gul'dan.

[vertigo12]

So shut down doesn't mean the same as closed? The portal is no longer open. The legion can not enter through the Well of Eternity. The actual well doesn't exist anymore. You are claiming that every portal every opened on Azeroth remains a portal? How is the world not destroyed from hundreds of portals just hanging around forever?

You can build a sand castle out of sand. All sand is not a sand castle. You can destroy that sand castle returning it to sand. That sand does not remain a castle for all eternity. It remains sand. It has the potential to be made into a sand castle again.

Magic can be used to create a portal. You can close that portal returning the magic to a inert state. All magic is not a portal. Magic does not remain a portal forever. It remains magic. It has the potential to be made into a portal again because magic can be used to make a portal.

Well if you can find a way to make a port of anything then by all means. An icecream portal can be a portal made of icecream or a portal leading to lots and lots of icecream.

[rhorle]

So it is both a portal and not a portal. A cat in a bag can be both dead and alive, not until it is observed.

No. If you take your battery out of your phone does it still remain a phone? Your metaphor would saying a portal is both open and closed until observed. Not both a portal and not a portal.

[vertigo12]

My comment about Gul'dan is mostly stemming from this tidbit here. "The storyline of Legion would be incoherent if not for the existence of the then already dead, Gul'dan."

I don't mind that they used Gul'dan from WOD to bridge into Legion. Gul'dan was one of the things about WOD that mostly worked. My point is just that they could have created a new villain to fill that role and the story would still work just fine. I'm disagreeing that Legion's story would have suffered if it had been a new villain built up into that role instead of AU Gul'dan.

Now that they have crossed out Guldan's name from the list, perhaps they could make one, probably from alternate Draenor? A light warlock perhaps?

[rhorle]

Well if you can find a way to make a port of anything then by all means. An icecream portal can be a portal made of icecream or a portal leading to lots and lots of icecream.

You can turn lots of things into portals. Yes. That doesn't make everything a portal. The potential to be something does not make everything that something. You have already admitted that all Trees are not wooden tables even though they have the potential to be turned into wooden tables. You have already admitted that what I said is true.

The Well of Eternity has the potentially to be used to create a portal but is not always a portal. Just as a Tree has the potential to be a table but is not always a table.

[vertigo12]

No. If you take your battery out of your phone does it still remain a phone? Your metaphor would saying a portal is both open and closed until observed. Not both a portal and not a portal.

Yes, taking out the battery of your phone doesn't omit the fact it remains a cellular phone. It's still a phone just without battery. Drained, damage,fully charged or otherwise.

Even a broken phone is still a phone. Screen busted, or phone fried from it's own explosion.

[Artelia]

I am sure that they will use Maelstorm one day. But i don't think they will use it right now.

But this similarity of "heart of Azeroth" and "Dragon Soul". This is something to talk about...