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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Carnedge View Post
    Paintballs don't make a splat sound. Especially when hitting certain surfaces that enhance/alter the impact sound... such as plywood and vinyl siding. This isn't Looney Toons
    They also don't make the same sound a bullet would. Or the same impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuraijake View Post
    There's ppl targeting your son at your own home... im guessing you would of asked them what they were shooting your house with first huh? and then called the police probably.
    It depends. What I would do might not be legal either. Sometimes the law is not right. However in this situation so far you can’t give advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnedge View Post
    So you're comparing the loudest (legal) gun to a paintball gun? Yeah and 50 cal is def louder than a paintball gun. But if you read my post you quoted, I said my paintball guns are louder than my "smaller caliber" guns. Smaller caliber rounds can still penetrate a house and kill people on the inside of the house.

    And the loudness of a paintball gun depends on the barrel and the gas it uses. If you clapped as loud as some of my guns your hands would break.
    Did I just read you try for more then one page try to say a paintball gun sounds like a gun that likely fires a supersonic projectile as almost all do, this is a fucking joke just stop even most .22lr as it still has a sharp crack is louder then any paintball gun honest question have you ever heard a gun fire in real life ever and now your breaking down to the impact sound which still would not be as loud as is irrelevant as the shot would be louder unless you are very far away in a house you would not hear the impact of a bullet you would only hear the shot which makes it again irrelevant.
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  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    They also don't make the same sound a bullet would. Or the same impact.
    How many people have heard the sound in person of a paintball hitting a house?
    How many people have heard the sound in person of a bullet hitting a house?

    In person, not a tv show or movie. Likely in the single digits of percentage. The average person will not have heard these sounds and thus you can't argue "he should have known".

    Things released so far in the news:
    - 12-15 people were ON his property, firing at his house. Not on the street, not randomly hitting houses. Specifically his house, and from his front lawn.
    - Occurred around 11:30 pm, so it was dark
    - Some of the people were there specifically to fight his son.
    - There were multiple casings found at the scene, and the police haven't identified who they came from yet.

    Aside from that the important questions are still unknown:
    - What did the paintball guns look / sound like?
    - Was the son aware that the people outside wanted to fight him, and did he tell his father as such?
    - What, if anything, was spoken between the father and the people outside when he came outside?
    - What actions, if any, were taken by the people outside once the father came outside?

    This could go either way as more details come out.

    Maybe the father just went out and shot a guy holding a clear paintball gun.

    Maybe the group on the lawn texted the son and told him they were here to kick is ass, and when the father came out one of them took a shot at him. You then have threat of violence against your family, violence by a mob directed at him and they're on his property. Pretty sure that will clear grounds for self defense.

    You are indeed likely not to get killed by a paintball. However, there are also reasons why everyone in a paintball match wear masks, specifically eye protection. There are also reasons why they tell you not to pick up any paintballs off the ground and put them in your gun.

    The group were idiots. No one deserved to die from it, but sometimes when you do stupid things people die.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by vincink View Post
    The article did not say whether the father will or will not be charged. He could be charged second-degree murder. So, again, hastily generalizing that America is lawless is demonstrably false.
    Based on current law, he *shouldn't* be charged. You might argue moral ramifications, but legally he didn't do anything wrong.

    In most states, if you reasonably feel that life or limb is in danger then you are allowed to use lethal force. Texas is one of the most lenient states in terms of what 'reasonable' means. Usually, as long as someone is on your property and intends you or your property harm that's considered 'reasonable' in Texas. Other states have a higher bar for reasonable, but the same justification is used regardless.
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  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Flurryfang View Post
    I never really get the entire "shoot to kill" mentality, that seems to be in the US. Unless you have a reason for somebody to shoot at you or your house, i would more use my weapen to scare them away. Going out with the intent to actually kill somebody dead in a family neighborhood, is insane in my mind.

    But if things goes as always, the father will proberly not found guilty of anything because he thought they had real weapons and that he was in danger of being killed.
    That's because you've never had a gun pointed at you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    This was minor vandalism, by the kid. At best. Maybe not even that, if the paint's water-soluble and they didn't break anything.

    Responding to that with lethal fucking force is just . . . fuck.

    Guy needs to be in prison for 2nd degree murder.
    So what your saying is that you would walk out into an unknown situation and be like "hey stop firing that gun at my house!"? Not knowing exactly what is hitting your house but you see weapons pointed at you. Those critical seconds if you have them determine if you live or die. Being an internet person weighing in...you don't have that on ground feeling to give a 100% answer. Hence why your opinion is just that...an opinion. If those kids were there to target the son and possibly "Kick his ass" or whatever then that's still grounds for self-defense. The father was protecting his son from possible life threatening injuries that could incur from a fist fight. Yes that can happen. So, what to take away from this? Don't screw with people when you don't know what their capable of.

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I am betting he will get charged based on the limited info.
    FFS lmao.

    11 pages of raging debate over a situation we know basically nothing about.

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  8. #208
    Darwin award. Don't point or threaten someone with a weapon or something that resembles a weapon unless you are prepared to accept the possible consequences. Especially in areas of the U.S. where people are allowed their freedom.

  9. #209
    On a humid day, I bet a high psi paintball gun and a low caliber gun sound pretty close.

    Edit: there are also more details in other articles on the same thing.

    10-15 people in his front yard, happened at night.

    It's probably been said here before, but: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stross01 View Post
    On a humid day, I bet a high psi paintball gun and a low caliber gun sound pretty close.
    No no they don't.

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Carnedge View Post
    So you're comparing the loudest (legal) gun to a paintball gun?
    No, the quietest actually. What would be the quietest legal firearm?

    And the loudness of a paintball gun depends on the barrel and the gas it uses. If you clapped as loud as some of my guns your hands would break.
    What paintball guns do you own? Nothing I've heard from 5+ years of arena visits has ever sounded loud whatsoever. The impact is always louder but if you ever shot in the open distance, not much. If there is a paintball rifle designed to be deafening loud, I question the purpose of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    How many people have heard the sound in person of a paintball hitting a house?
    How many people have heard the sound in person of a bullet hitting a house?
    /snip
    I ultimately agree that the small details will matter; like the look of the paintball gun, some of them can very well resemble actual firearms. But here is where I'm confused:
    The homeowner, the father, came outside to the disturbance, approached a suspect who was standing out here.
    Did he approach them in person? Why if he thought his house was getting shot at?
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  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    No no they don't.
    They do. A low-powder round isn't even as loud as a cap gun.

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    You can when you understand that paintball guns don't look or sound like actual guns. Any "responsible gun owner" should be able to tell the difference.
    sure, in the middle of the day, with sunlight shining directly on the paintball gun. my guess is that this happened at night time though, and i'm on the side of shoot first ask questions later at that point. especially if i have a family inside and especially after i already feel threatened. i've handled both real and paint guns. some paintball guns have an all black appearance.



    Looks like a paintball gun huh? /s (btw all i did to find that was search "paintball guns" and it was one of the first 5 images.)

    now, when he starts taking shots at the car as its fleeing that i believe is called reckless endangerment, and he should probably be punished for that.
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  14. #214
    well from what i've read no charges should be filed and likely needs to keep a sharp eye out in case the mob comes back ... hopefully those kids get charged.
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  15. #215
    Love it how people think being shot at somehow gives you enough time to rationalize and think things through before the instincts to defend the ones you love kicks in.

    You don't really have time to think and argue "is this the sound of a real bullet or not?". Just maybe don't give people a reason to be scared for their life. Remember that US and Texas especially is a gun loving place... Which makes it even worse.

    Compared to if someone were shooting here I think most would just be confused what the sound was rather than "Im being shot at".

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Vargulf the Happy Husky View Post
    sure, in the middle of the day, with sunlight shining directly on the paintball gun. my guess is that this happened at night time though, and i'm on the side of shoot first ask questions later at that point. especially if i have a family inside and especially after i already feel threatened. i've handled both real and paint guns. some paintball guns have an all black appearance.



    Looks like a paintball gun huh? /s (btw all i did to find that was search "paintball guns" and it was one of the first 5 images.)

    now, when he starts taking shots at the car as its fleeing that i believe is called reckless endangerment, and he should probably be punished for that.
    Yeah, someone else linked that very same image...also ignoring that the majority of the other images looked like typical paintball guns (large hopper on top, CO2 cannister off the back). Also trying to insinuate that these were the typical model for a paintball gun...despite the fact that the majority of paintballers don't even own a paintball sidearm. They're typically considered a "backup weapon" and most tournaments have a "one marker per person" rule. Certainly, if it was my plan to shoot up a house...I'd probably be more inclined to take a marker with a higher paintball capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Yeah, someone else linked that very same image...also ignoring that all the ones before it looked like paintball guns (large hopper on top, CO2 cannister off the back. Also trying to insinuate that these were the typical model for a paintball gun...despite the fact that the majority of paintballers don't even own a paintball sidearm.
    dude have you seen some of these things? these paintball guns have gotten ridiculously realistic since my day. some of them look like AR's and AK's. i dont even see where you could put the hopper and Co2 tank. i won't post all the pictures because THERE ARE SO MANY but you can look if you want.

    i get it man, you don't like guns. this isn't your country, though. you just get an opinion because internet.

    btw i don't own a gun and never plan to, but i believe in the right to own one should someone choose to.
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  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Acelius View Post
    Imagine living in a country where you have to fear that everyone around you is armed, and people shoot first and ask later, lol.
    dont attack somebodies house/property then?

  20. #220
    Not going to read 11 pages, but just curious if we know already: Was the 19 year old as much of an asshole that brought it upon himself as the article in the OP suggested?

    I might be inclined to have more compassion here if the guy was 14 or something, if you are an adult and you play stupid games, well yeah, you win stupid prices. If the hazing angle turns out to be true my pity for the guy will be gone entirely. Either way seems to be a massive parenting failure, I would never even have come up with such a stupid idea in my life.

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