This thread is not about the events of "A Good War" or the fight between Malfurion and Sylvanas. Let's pivot back to the original topic.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
All make mistakes also had saurfang done his duty she would have succeeded. Also it was for it time heavily imblied from sylv pov vari had broken nathrezim rule and killed balnazzar which would have made him a traitor to legion so mistake yeah but a logical one.
Also Arthas was so cunning he thought sylvanas was loyal after she had free will or he was cunninh when not listening to ner'zhuls call to northrend immediatly or so cunning when thinking he can beat tirion when ner'zhul had seem vision ashbringer breaking frostmourne( he had all of ner'zhuls memories then). So being 100 times cunning than arthas isn't much though most chars are idiots.
That means nothing other than Arthas himself (maybe) being able to ward off the Old Gods, which might be an anomaly given that he was the most powerful death entity we saw and his minions did not have a will to be subverted save for the very upper echelon such as Kel'thuzad or the Death Knights. That's hardly establishing that undeath in all its forms is anathema to the OGs and that they can't control it, when in-game evidence suggests otherwise as G'huun makes use of undead and raises a powerful one (Zul) himself.
The funny thing is that, yeah, I do - I completely understood that. But saying that Sylvanas overpowered Malfurion is just wrong. As I wrote above, there are no any indications that prove that.
We're just going round in circles right now...
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Yeah I know about the farewall mission where Sylvanas used an arrow to paralyse a weakened Arthas but the quote of Alucald:I though that was refering some new event or retcon where she fought him equally in Quel'thalas or when she broke free, the ambush itself I won't call exactly a fight or anyone holding the ground(besides Arthas dk at his peak is likely more powerful than KT and he made Sylvanas and her survivor banshees to flee)She established this early on by holding her own with Death Knight Arthas accompanied by Frostmourne and nearly killing him
Sure I don't disagree with her power levels that are above the average special unit undead, and like many alliance/horde leaders, they have plot armor and are hard to catch like a weasel but the point is, her role into N'zoth fight is likely something that he has already planned, maybe he just fakes his death like Batman does in the Arkham games, so he can play in the shadows once again or maybe that is the end game for Sylvanas after BFAI don't doubt Sylvanas will fail, especially if she is opposed by both the Horde and Alliance (as well as all life on Azeroth). As I said before, she's far more powerful than a banshee or even a banshee hero or champion, but she's neither invulnerable nor is she a demigod. She wouldn't be easy to take out but there are a variety of beings within the Warcraft universe against which she is no match - both singularly or collectively.
Artahs broke his staff first and even with the new reforged sword, he was not a match for Arthas, he lost plain and simple and the sword frostmourne is ten times more OP which is the real reason Arthas won all of those fights
The fallen blades mentions the fight was equally matched but luck and skill helped Arthas to win, the whole book of Golden is pure trash just like all the forsakens miss their roots in humanity(or they human potential), the war in Cataclysm never happened and Jaina was a saint with both her aggresive expansion in the barrens(Baine says Jaina and the alliance did nothing wrong and there is not a war) and the purge of Dalaran(Warcrimes)
Seems that some people will never learn no matter how many years pass, no matter how many losses they suffer. They will keep living in their own distorted fantasy where they are right and everyone else will be wrong. Anyway. I apologise for trying to bring up undisputed facts that hurt some individuals. This is why I rarely write here anymore in this mess of a Lore forum.
I don't see why is it so hard to accept that the Book is based on the Game. Blizzard decides how Christie Golden would write the book. It would be obvious the outcome would be the same.
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Technically the outcome is that Malfurion lived thanks to Elune if we want to be precise and Saurfang is the one who technically beat Malfurion. However both he and Saurfang at the moment are here to stay. For Sylvannas I'm not so sure. Back on that topic have in mind that all the time Malfurion was stalling for time. Only in the last battle he decided to end it for good. Both the game and the book agree that it would be the end of Sylvannas had Saurfang not arrived on time. In any case I do not wish to continue established lore so this topic for me ends here.
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wasn't there some sort of prophecy about 5 torches and 5 keys? I know someone speculated that the 5 torches could be the 5 world trees (Nordrassil, Teldrassil, Andrassil/Vordrassil, Shaladrassil and a tree in the Emerald Dream)
if those 5 trees are destroyed maybe something happens? Nordrassil has been destroyed once before but has since regrown, Teldrassil has been burned down, Andrassil has been corrupted as has Shaladrassil so I am guessing that the tree in the ED might be the last one standing? what happens when it falls?
will that release the Old Gods? or have anything to do with them?
It would be a giant waste to build N'zoth up since CATACLYSM only to kill him off off screen before his day in the sun.