Did the allies delay the invasion of Normandy on purpose?

[Kellhound]

i'm not saying the americans and UK didnt do their part, they definatly did

but the Lend lease didnt really kick off until after Stalingrad was over wich is generally viewed to be the turningpoint of the war,
add to that the russians where outproducing germans it was fairly inevitable, but it would have been alot slower and more painfull for both sides for sure

especially when the russians take over romania its over, no more oil for germany

Remove the US and UK from the war effort, and the USSR loses, its as simple as that. It is far more in-depth than just Lend-Lease.

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No, but they did deliberately launch it early.

It had to be done before everything was 100% ready due to the speed at which the coast of France was being fortified. If they had waited another 6-12 months until they had everything they wanted/needed then the goal would have been impossible anyway so they had to work with what they had.

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Not really.

Germany lost the war the second they invaded the USSR, after that the USA could have just kept out of it and the UK could have just waited on our island for Berlin to fall. All that our wartime assistance to the USSR really did was reduce the amount that Germany penetrated into the USSR before being hammered back, once the Soviet steamroller was rolling Germany had no hope of stopping it.

In reality the true goal of the Normandy landings wasn't to defeat Germany as that was already guaranteed well before that point, our forces needed to get to Berlin ASAP so that the USSR actually stopped there and didn't just take the whole of mainland Europe for themselves and their puppet governments.

Ironically the biggest help the USSR got during WW2 wasn't even from an ally, nothing in the war helped them as much as Japan's attack on pearl harbour, because once Japan were occupied with the USA they because a much much smaller threat so masses of forces could be diverted to the eastern front that were previously required to counter any threat of Japanese invasion.

Germany lost the war because they were fighting on multiple fronts. Had they just been fighting the USSR, it would likely have ended in an armistice that, if the USSR was really lucky, would possibly gotten most of their original territory back.

[Kreo]

What answer you expect from MMO-C crowd, honestly?

[Jastall]

Money - is that your best excuse? You want to compare money with blood?

In a war, money and what you can do with it is worth more than blood, especially to the USSR who had more of the latter to spare than of the former.

[Kreo]

You should blame your own country for not even having a gun for each soldier. No wonder so many died. Russia thought "just send bodies at it and eventually I guess we'll win." You should be thanking capitalism and American industry for saving your soldiers lives.

The special ed class you probably attended did not have PCs with Google on them? Any person with minimal education would question movies like "Enemy at the gate", but I guess Hollywood still best teacher for millions of people. Since I want you to be slightly enlighten, just google yourself "did Russia really had 1 rifle for 3 men".

Then come back and delete your dumb post.

[Flarelaine]

Germany lost the war because they were fighting on multiple fronts. Had they just been fighting the USSR, it would likely have ended in an armistice that, if the USSR was really lucky, would possibly gotten most of their original territory back.

By "original" do you mean pre-1941 or pre-1939?

[Ihavewaffles]

Its obvious u wouldn't get kellhound to agree russia would have won regardless, his hate is too strong for him to argue logically.

[Aenigma84]

Remove the US and UK from the war effort, and the USSR loses, its as simple as that. It is far more in-depth than just Lend-Lease.

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Germany lost the war because they were fighting on multiple fronts. Had they just been fighting the USSR, it would likely have ended in an armistice that, if the USSR was really lucky, would possibly gotten most of their original territory back.

the moment Germany failed to take Moscow and stalingrad it was over and both of those failed before the UK and US really started doing anything, both lend lease and strategic bombing from the us was later in 42 after both of those batles where already over
with or without UK/US involvemen the russians would have won eventually after that,

the German only shot at Victory was a quick and decisive war wich they failed to do in the end
after that they where not equipped or suplied properly for a long war of atrition, while the russians where outproducing them in every catagory

Germany suffered from bad logistics, lack of oil and other very important raw materials that they lost acces to the moment they invaded Russia
doesnt matter if you build great tanks if you dont have the material to make enough of them or the oil to drive them eventually

and the main oil suply the germans had left was romania wich was a area they couldnt defend forever

[Misuteri]

News from 1984 with Soviet propaganda, published by Christian Science Monitor.

I don't usually attack the source, but come on...

Remember....

[zorothusian]

the moment Germany failed to take Moscow and stalingrad it was over and both of those failed before the UK and US really started doing anything, both lend lease and strategic bombing from the us was later in 42 after both of those batles where already over
with or without UK/US involvemen the russians would have won eventually after that,

the German only shot at Victory was a quick and decisive war wich they failed to do in the end
after that they where not equipped or suplied properly for a long war of atrition, while the russians where outproducing them in every catagory

Germany suffered from bad logistics, lack of oil and other very important raw materials that they lost acces to the moment they invaded Russia
doesnt matter if you build great tanks if you dont have the material to make enough of them or the oil to drive them eventually

and the main oil suply the germans had left was romania wich was a area they couldnt defend forever

Nonsense the first lend lease started flowing to the Soviet Union in August of 1941 without the Lend Lease the Soviet Army would have collapsed. The Germans had over ran the industrial part of the Soviet Union and the agricultural area of the Soviet Union within the first 90 days. Soviet General Zhukov stated this.
"Now they say that the allies never helped us, but it can't be denied that the Americans gave us so many goods without which we wouldn't have been able to form our reserves and continue the war," Soviet General Georgy Zhukov said after the end of WWII.
"We didn’t have explosives, gunpowder. We didn’t have anything to charge our rifle cartridges with. The Americans really saved us with their gunpowder and explosives. And how much sheet steel they gave us! How could we have produced our tanks without American steel? But now they make it seem as if we had an abundance of all that. Without American trucks we wouldn’t have had anything to pull our artillery with."
So please state facts correctly.

[Flarelaine]

Soviet General Zhukov stated this.
"Now they say that the allies never helped us, but it can't be denied that the Americans gave us so many goods without which we wouldn't have been able to form our reserves and continue the war," Soviet General Georgy Zhukov said after the end of WWII.

They also made colourless Coca-Cola for Zhukov. He became quite fond of the drink during the war, but it became a suspicious imperialist drink soon after, so he asked them for ideas and they shipped him colourless Coca-Cola in vodka bottles.

Then Stalin purged him anyway.

[zorothusian]

Yes Stalin was a great guy ranks right up there with the amount of People Hitler killed.

[XorMalice]

> "I don't usually attack the source, but come on... "

What's wrong with the Christian Science Monitor? Their wikipedia page should settle some confusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ch...cience_Monitor

Are you implying they are really slanted or something?

[luciano]

General Marshall thought Italy and North Africa were a waste of time and told Roosevelt as much. If you want to kill a snake, you go for the head.

Roosevelt said no, Churchill was his friend and we should follow Churchill's lead.

Stalin said, you've got to invade Northern Europe. Now.

General Marshall and Stalin won the argument and the Invasion of Normandy was launched.

How surprised would you be if Churchill was thinking more about 1948 than 1945?

That...is not how it happened.

[Kellhound]

By "original" do you mean pre-1941 or pre-1939?

Pre-1939....

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the moment Germany failed to take Moscow and stalingrad it was over and both of those failed before the UK and US really started doing anything, both lend lease and strategic bombing from the us was later in 42 after both of those batles where already over
with or without UK/US involvemen the russians would have won eventually after that,

the German only shot at Victory was a quick and decisive war wich they failed to do in the end
after that they where not equipped or suplied properly for a long war of atrition, while the russians where outproducing them in every catagory

Germany suffered from bad logistics, lack of oil and other very important raw materials that they lost acces to the moment they invaded Russia
doesnt matter if you build great tanks if you dont have the material to make enough of them or the oil to drive them eventually

and the main oil suply the germans had left was romania wich was a area they couldnt defend forever

The USSR would have bled to death before they won.