Am I the only tank who is having this kind of situation ?

[thestation]

Hello,

I'm 412 Ilevel prot paladin with 1018 IO score.

I keep getting healers who are at my item level or higher that does less healing than me. Most of the time, when I confront them they either tell me i'm bad (I do more healing than you on a tank and more dps), they their class is not made to single target heal (shamans), druid are heal overtime so deal with it, disc priest are damage preventer not healers or other retarded stuff like that.

It's not like I pull like a crazy retard or something. I play according to the affixes. I militigate the best someone can according to the healing I receive.

Do you guys get those kind of situation ?

[Twdft]

Do you/group die because of it?

[kaganpwnz]

if you are looking to push you need to find people who are also as motivated as you, join a discord group or a guild and stop lfging.

[Shelly]

Hello,

I'm 412 Ilevel prot paladin with 1018 IO score.

I keep getting healers who are at my item level or higher that does less healing than me. Most of the time, when I confront them they either tell me i'm bad (I do more healing than you on a tank and more dps), they their class is not made to single target heal (shamans), druid are heal overtime so deal with it, disc priest are damage preventer not healers or other retarded stuff like that.

It's not like I pull like a crazy retard or something. I play according to the affixes. I militigate the best someone can according to the healing I receive.

Do you guys get those kind of situation ?

I also have the same problem that my dick is so big women won't have sex with me because they are intimidated.

[vsb]

I suggest you to turn off your metering addons and enjoy the game instead of being arrogant toxic.

[sopeonaroap]

Hello,

I'm 412 Ilevel prot paladin with 1018 IO score.

I keep getting healers who are at my item level or higher that does less healing than me. Most of the time, when I confront them they either tell me i'm bad (I do more healing than you on a tank and more dps), they their class is not made to single target heal (shamans), druid are heal overtime so deal with it, disc priest are damage preventer not healers or other retarded stuff like that.

It's not like I pull like a crazy retard or something. I play according to the affixes. I militigate the best someone can according to the healing I receive.

Do you guys get those kind of situation ?

unless you're dying to unavoidable damage, then you are simply doing your job and so are they, you can't heal damage that isn't there

if you're dying and doing everything right then yeah, you got a healer problem. the meters aren't useful for who is doing the better job healing unless there is so much damage that everyone has a chance to go all out. healing done doesn't include damage reduction or overhealing, so if you're reducing damage via block/absorbs you're just not going to have much damage to heal up to start with.

in certain content, a decently geared tank SHOULD be the top healer, they're taking the most damage and blizz thinks tanks need to be able to take care of themselves for the most part...blame them for a shitty game design where healers have to be great snipe healers just to outheal self-absorbs on everyone

[Isilarya]

I suggest you to turn off your metering addons and enjoy the game instead of being arrogant toxic.

Expecting healers to heal I dont feel is an arrogant stance if we are being honest. It is the only reason they are there.

[anon5123]

You do realize that healing is a 0 sum game, yes?

There's only so much healing to go around. If you are constantly healing yourself up, no shit you will be higher on healing meter than the healer.

[enjoy123]

if you are not wiping and the healer is doing dps insted of healing the healer is doing a good job

[Whiteboard]

...If the groups aren't dying, wipes aren't happening and runs are smooth, what the hell is the problem? You're playing a class known for its mitigation and self heals, if you desperately need to not be mitigating as well or enjoying that much self-healing perhaps consider a different class so you can feel healers have enough to heal.

[Demsi]

If you're doing PUGS it's safe to assume that you wont be playing with the greatest of players, i would suggest finding a guild instead.


Edit: Also item lvl is incredibly inflated right now so it's a pretty bad metric to go by (wich is why people use raider.io)

[Bathory]

Seems like your too fixated on the meters data and not the context.

[sopeonaroap]

Expecting healers to heal I dont feel is an arrogant stance if we are being honest. It is the only reason they are there.

also supposed to do as much damage as possible, dispel the right things at the right time, etc

any healer who just heals is incompetent. any tank who thinks a healer can heal damage that isn't there is also incompetent. meters are great if you know how to use them. give a dipshit baby a hammer and you'll understand how tools aren't much good to people who don't know how to use them

[Dead_MAX]

Hello,

I'm 412 Ilevel prot paladin with 1018 IO score.

I keep getting healers who are at my item level or higher that does less healing than me. Most of the time, when I confront them they either tell me i'm bad (I do more healing than you on a tank and more dps), they their class is not made to single target heal (shamans), druid are heal overtime so deal with it, disc priest are damage preventer not healers or other retarded stuff like that.

It's not like I pull like a crazy retard or something. I play according to the affixes. I militigate the best someone can according to the healing I receive.

Do you guys get those kind of situation ?

I remember when I was tanking with my DK that I had way more healing then many other healers in raid enviroment. I don't know about M+, but the thing is, Blood DK is supposed to heal 1 target (self) a lot. It doesn't really matter if you heal more then them, what is important is if people die because of it....if not there is no problem, if they do it might not be even their fault cuz damage dealers are known to stand in fire like morons.

[Relapses]

I also have the same problem that my dick is so big women won't have sex with me because they are intimidated.

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[Raugnaut]

As a paladin, your healing should be on up there. Of the current 6 available tanking specs (Guardian, Paladin, Warrior, Blood, Brew, and Vengeance), only 2 have minimal amounts of self healing - Brewmaster and Warrior. Blood DKs, Vengeance DHs, and Paladins all have an immense amount of self healing tied into their overall tanking kit, with Guardian being somewhere in the middle ground. Thus why blizzard has slowly and steadily been nerfing tanks since MoP (During which I tended to have more healing then both healers in the 10 man H SoO group, due to solo tankin every fight I could. Most of the time, 95% of healing recieved was my own Frenzied Regen, with the remaining 5% being incidental raid healing).

Overall, it's a combo of both the rest of the group hopefully avoiding most fire (Thus lowering the amount of healing done by the healer), and quite possibly the healer knowing that they only have to heal you if your heal isn't on CD (I, personally, have a weakaura that tracks the CD of Prot's heals so I know when I have to heal to avoid them dying, and when they can sustain themselves just fine)

[Polybius]

also supposed to do as much damage as possible, dispel the right things at the right time, etc

any healer who just heals is incompetent. any tank who thinks a healer can heal damage that isn't there is also incompetent. meters are great if you know how to use them. give a dipshit baby a hammer and you'll understand how tools aren't much good to people who don't know how to use them

Healer damage is mostly true if a window of opportunity is there but most of the time, in progression, there is none. Precasting, stunning, int, ccing and as you said dispelling are much safer. Or dps during soft and hard intermissions. Remember that casting DPS starts the GCD, unless it's dots like Flame Shock if I'm not mistaken.

[potis]

Hello,

I'm 412 Ilevel prot paladin with 1018 IO score.

I keep getting healers who are at my item level or higher that does less healing than me. Most of the time, when I confront them they either tell me i'm bad (I do more healing than you on a tank and more dps), they their class is not made to single target heal (shamans), druid are heal overtime so deal with it, disc priest are damage preventer not healers or other retarded stuff like that.

It's not like I pull like a crazy retard or something. I play according to the affixes. I militigate the best someone can according to the healing I receive.

Do you guys get those kind of situation ?

Ignoring the terrible answers above.

It all depends on the groups, a good group that doesnt get hit by shit requires much less healing than a bad group.

Easy affixes are also the same, as example Raging/Necrotic barely requires any healing unless some raging mob AoEs because the DPS failed.

You also are a Prot Paladin, that tanks by healing back %, of course that way you have a higher HPS number at times if the group isnt taking any damage, thats when the Healer is supposed to DPS, therefor a healer that doesnt, is also bad.

It also depends on your traits, if you go full support/aoe heal but you do 4k DPS instead of the 10K you can do in irrelevant content its still wrong and you are playing bad the same way the healer is bad if they arent DPSing.

Now if you are wiping its probably because everyone is bad, but generally the above still apply.

Therefor you arent exactly bad, but your lack of knowledge to someone that knows what to look for can be considered as "Bad playing".

[Firefall]

It's pretty darn easy as a tank to steal healing from the healer and typically suboptimal to do so unless other people in the party are taking significant damage. Put more GCDs into damage. And let HoTs heal you so you and the heals both can put more GCDs into damage.

[sopeonaroap]

Healer damage is mostly true if a window of opportunity is there but most of the time, in progression, there is none. Precasting, stunning, int, ccing nd as you said dispelling are much safer. Remember that casting DPS starts the GCD, unless it's dots like Flame Shock if I'm not mistaken.

there is ALWAYS a window even in progression to do some damage. you won't find any top guilds with healers who don't do damage. maximizing their damage in certain places is crucial to world first kills and always has been, even in naxx your priests better be wanding when they're not healing. if you are doing nothing at any time, you aren't helping. nowadays you're just making it harder since your mere presence = more boss hp.

stay busy or fuck off, that's how things work nowadays.