Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Shadowferal]

I think that by the end of the year, if Sanders hasn't made any real progress by then, he'll endorse Warren.
The question will be who will her running mate be then?

If Biden isn't interested, and he hasn't shown any signs that he's all that interested in running for pres these days, the only candidates that bring anything to the table is Harris and Gabbard. (Yeah, it's all about the women here. The guys aren't impressive to me.)

[Theodarzna]

I think that by the end of the year, if Sanders hasn't made any real progress by then, he'll endorse Warren.
The question will be who will her running mate be then?

If Biden isn't interested, and he hasn't shown any signs that he's all that interested in running for pres these days, the only candidates that bring anything to the table is Harris and Gabbard. (Yeah, it's all about the women here. The guys aren't impressive to me.)

I don't think Warren can hold her ground. Now that she is in the spotlight she is getting real doubts from earnest Lefties about her sincerity. She also didn't do so well under pressure in a debate. Warren has also become a bit mealy mouthed about Health Care and has that problem again of mainly appealing to the Wonky crowd who like with Buttigieg or Beto or Booker or Harris can be interchanged with one another and still win those votes. The case for a Gabbard, Yang or Sanders is mainly that they win people who aren't dedicated to the DNC and need to be convinced to vote.

You don't need to appease voters you have on lock.

[cubby]

I think that by the end of the year, if Sanders hasn't made any real progress by then, he'll endorse Warren.
The question will be who will her running mate be then?

If Biden isn't interested, and he hasn't shown any signs that he's all that interested in running for pres these days, the only candidates that bring anything to the table is Harris and Gabbard. (Yeah, it's all about the women here. The guys aren't impressive to me.)

I agree with your assessment up until the running mate. Two women as the ticket would be a disaster. We need to have woman/man to balance it out for the moderate electorate, that will already be struggling to vote Dem. Booker is an excellent candidate for that, from the current running pool. Beto is out - OUT - because he somehow thinks "taking the AR-15's" is a great talking point to get TX votes (what the holy fuck).

Outside of the current people running, I'm not sure who would be a good running mate.

[Voidwielder]

Tulsi Gabbard was born to be the stylish Prime Minister of a mid-size European or South American country led by a coalition government of national populists and ecosocialists.

Right time, wrong continent.

[DarkTZeratul]

Outside of the current people running, I'm not sure who would be a good running mate.

Skroe laid out a pretty good argument for Tammy Duckworth, leaning into her veteran status.

[Shadowferal]

I agree with your assessment up until the running mate. Two women as the ticket would be a disaster. We need to have woman/man to balance it out for the moderate electorate, that will already be struggling to vote Dem. Booker is an excellent candidate for that, from the current running pool. Beto is out - OUT - because he somehow thinks "taking the AR-15's" is a great talking point to get TX votes (what the holy fuck).

Outside of the current people running, I'm not sure who would be a good running mate.

Booker hasn't really done anything to make him stand out.
I agree on Beto. He was trying to fly on guns, but that made everyone look at the 2nd Amendment. And that seemed a disconnect to me, as we already have a president that wasn't inclined to follow the US Constitution. And from my perspective, he wanted to benefit from tragedies. That said, he didn't seem to stand out. (Standing out amidst so many contenders is important...but doing it in a positive way)

I tend to agree on your final point; the running mate should be a dude. Just not the ones we already know about. And I don't know who that could be. (Foreign policy experience needs to be heavily scrutinized. There's a lot of damage that needs to be repaired. Hell, if Colin Powell were ten years younger, I'd be pointing at him)

[cubby]

Skroe laid out a pretty good argument for Tammy Duckworth, leaning into her veteran status.

But was that with Warren or Biden? And Duckworth would be awesome in so many ways.

[Shadowferal]

Secretary of State. Someone to hold the Generals in line.

Right there with you.

[cubby]

Booker hasn't really done anything to make him stand out.
I agree on Beto. He was trying to fly on guns, but that made everyone look at the 2nd Amendment. And that seemed a disconnect to me, as we already have a president that wasn't inclined to follow the US Constitution. And from my perspective, he wanted to benefit from tragedies. That said, he didn't seem to stand out. (Standing out amidst so many contenders is important...but doing it in a positive way)

I tend to agree on your final point; the running mate should be a dude. Just not the ones we already know about. And I don't know who that could be. (Foreign policy experience needs to be heavily scrutinized. There's a lot of damage that needs to be repaired. Hell, if Colin Powell were ten years younger, I'd be pointing at him)

Holy shit. That would be an insane out-of-the-box choice that could actually help the country heal while at the same time putting some serious guns () in our foreign policy apology tour that we'll be taking after Drumpf is out.

You man have been kidding, and that hadn't even occurred to me, but it seems like a brief glance great idea.

Warren/Powell.

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Secretary of State. Someone to hold the Generals in line.

Excellent idea.

I mistakenly thought Jettisawn was referring to Powell as SecState. Powell for SecState and/or VP would be an excellent idea. Gabbard would not.

[DarkTZeratul]

But was that with Warren or Biden? And Duckworth would be awesome in so many ways.

That was definitely with Warren. He was suggesting someone like Stacy Abrams to shore up Biden's weak points.

[Skroe]

That was definitely with Warren. He was suggesting someone like Stacy Abrams to shore up Biden's weak points.

Yes I believe it was Biden-Abrams and Warren-Duckworth.

Not sure if Duckworth will play a role this cycle, but should Democrats fail, she'll be a shoe in, in the next one. At least for the VP role.

Hopefully President Biden/Warren doesn't pull and Obama and loot and pillage the House and Senate and State level of rising talent to staff their administration. The best way to short circuit her future is make her Secretary of Labor or something.

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Excellent idea.

Tulsi Gabard, friend and apologist to Basahr Al-Assad, shouldn't be within ten light years of any foreign policy or national security job.

[Milchshake]

Tulsi's best friend, political mentor, and fellow crypto fascist traveler ... Narendra Modi everyone.

Narendra Modi
‏Verified account
@narendramodi
Moments with Mr. Kissinger, former Prime Ministers Tony Blair and John Howard, Ms. Condoleezza Rice and Mr. Robert Gates.
Excellent discussions with these global thought leaders.

Theo, Jetti, your bae queen is just a warmonger neoliberal shill. Unless she immediately disavows and criticizes Modi.

[Shadowferal]

Theo, Jetti, your bae queen is just a warmonger neoliberal shill. Unless she immediately disavows and criticizes Modi.

Really? The Prime Minister of India?
That's your problem with Gabbard?

[Skroe]

Really? The Prime Minister of India?
That's your problem with Gabbard?

Modi is a Hindu nationalist. I know that sounds very parochial in the American political context, but it's basically anti-Muslim radical right-wing stuff. Unsurprisingly, Gabbard started her career as part of the American radical right.

Gabard is where the far right and far left intermix.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...paign-policies
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/t...mocratic-party

But she also isn't going anywhere except back to her Congressional seat, so she doesn't matter and we really shouldn't worry about her.

Hillary Clinton is correct, but an political imbecile as usual for even bringing it up.

[Shadowferal]

I'm aware of the issues with India, and familiar...too familiar with Modi's nationalism. (India has a shitload of problems...still he was elected however...which reveals that the problem isn't just about the one man here. And you can't open a dialogue by shitting on them first.

[Milchshake]

That's your problem with Gabbard?

What do you guys have against Tulsi Gabbard?

Let me guess, you guys share the same carpool. And copy homework off of each other /joke

Tulsi is a phony, a Sarah Palin 2.0, which is embarrassing apparent. Every politician suffers this accusation. But Tulsi supporters cant handle this criticism

These are the hands that shook Kissengers .....



Kissinger cooties is a really bad look for an alleged "anti-war" candidate.


Also, constant appearances on Fox and RT is another bad look for her. Rupert Murdoch and Putin are among the worst of the Establishment in the world order. Taking "free appearances" from the the establishment, is a bad look for an "anti-establishment" candidate.

She's totally beholden to Assad, Putin, Murdoch, and Tucker Gorton Carlson the III.

[Skroe]

I'm aware of the issues with India, and familiar...too familiar with Modi's nationalism. (India has a shitload of problems...still he was elected however...which reveals that the problem isn't just about the one man here. And you can't open a dialogue by shitting on them first.

Dialog is not the issue. We can and do talk to all sorts of national leaders. It is Gabbard's affinity. It's her agreement.

[cubby]

Tulsi Gabard, friend and apologist to Basahr Al-Assad, shouldn't be within ten light years of any foreign policy or national security job.

I agree. I was suggesting that Colin Powell perhaps would make a good VP for Warren or Sec State. I think I missing how Powell and Gabard are connected.

Never mind. I see what I did. I thought when I quoted and responded with "Excellent idea" it was for Colin Powell. I completely agree re Gabard being as far removed from a national security job as humanly possible.

[Shadowferal]

*shrugs*
I'm not willing to condemn Gabbard for shaking hands with Kissinger. I think she can be an asset for an upcoming admin. People condemning her for what exactly? Not being liberal on foreign policies?

[Gestopft]

I honestly don't think Joe Biden "gets" the moment. I think he, like a lot of people of his generation, can't believe what's happened and live a kind of lie about it, where things haven't gotten THAT bad, when in fact they have.

This, and in more ways than one. He doesn't get the severity of Trump, and more importantly, he doesn't get what led to Trump in the first place. He also doesn't get what the struggles of the younger (and soon to be largest voting) generation. To be fair, he gets why a LGBT town hall is a dumb idea, but my concern with him is exactly that the doesn't get it: how does he win back the voters he needs to get back if he just doesn't get it? I'm worried, not that he doesn't know what NOT to say (specifically on social issues), but that he doesn't know what he actually SHOULD say.