Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Gestopft]

While PA and WI went back to Dem control in 2018, we still need to keep that vote in 2020. And Sanders ain't gonna do it.

I don't think that's at all true. Keep in mind regarding Wisconsin that Sanders beat Clinton by 13.5 points in 2016, and won every county except one.

Also keep in mind that the "middle" voter likes the Democrats more on economic issues than on social/cultural issues. Think about how many right-wingers on this forum have said some sort of "I don't agree with Bernie on a lot of things but at least he's not all about 'identity politics,'" or something similar. No, they're not 'concern trolling,' it's that I think that a Democrat that makes economics the core of their message plays better to Democrats' strengths, especially outside of the major urban areas and between the coasts.

Take a look at this video by Clinton's labor secretary. I think it does a good explaining why Progressives have a message that resonates

[Paranoid Android]

Biden mistakenly says he was VP during 2018 Parkland shooting https://t.co/8S7VHkiUSQ https://t.co/gkMEa1UWkL

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...762438145?s=19

Sorry we can't have anymore feeble minded people as President. Biden is coming with some gaffes.

That being said in age of Trump, I will take the a feeble minded Biden.

[cubby]

I don't think that's at all true. Keep in mind regarding Wisconsin that Sanders beat Clinton by 13.5 points in 2016, and won every county except one.

Also keep in mind that the "middle" voter likes the Democrats more on economic issues than on social/cultural issues. Think about how many right-wingers on this forum have said some sort of "I don't agree with Bernie on a lot of things but at least he's not all about 'identity politics,'" or something similar. No, they're not 'concern trolling,' it's that I think that a Democrat that makes economics the core of their message plays better to Democrats' strengths, especially outside of the major urban areas and between the coasts.

Take a look at this video by Clinton's labor secretary. I think it does a good explaining why Progressives have a message that resonates

You're comparing apples to oranges. Who cares which democrat beat another democrat in the primaries. We're talking about the general election. And in that case Trump won. And we're not going to get Trump voters won over by offering up a socialist who will take all the farms away (I'm joking of course, but Sanders is handily labeled a socialist and will not lose that label, whereas Biden hasn't/isn't).

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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...762438145?s=19

Sorry we can't have anymore feeble minded people as President. Biden is coming with some gaffes.

That being said in age of Trump, I will take the a feeble minded Biden.

I watched the clip and he doesn't say anything about being VP during the Parkland shooting. Is it in another link? Or farther down? This "senior moment" bullshit is just that - bullshit.

[Dontrike]

That's actually a common misconception. I'm begging the Democratic Party to give me a sane choice.

Because choosing the most insane option is the only one left?

[Dacien]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...762438145?s=19

Sorry we can't have anymore feeble minded people as President. Biden is coming with some gaffes.

That being said in age of Trump, I will take the a feeble minded Biden.

All of his gaffes have reasonable explanations that can be attributed to misspeaking or misremembering though, including this one:

"A campaign official told Bloomberg that the former vice president was thinking of the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, which occurred during Biden's tenure."


Don't get me wrong he's been on a gaffe streak lately, but as long as it makes sense what he meant or what he was trying to say, as opposed to outright lying or indicating some kind of malevolence, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Gestopft]

And we're not going to get Trump voters won over by offering up a socialist who will take all the farms away (I'm joking of course, but Sanders is handily labeled a socialist and will not lose that label, whereas Biden hasn't/isn't).

I don't think you get the Obama->Trump voters back with a (return to the) status quo candidate. People who are still on the fence and/or not paying attention much need something positive to vote for.

[Ghostpanther]

I call bullshit. Literally every candidate the Dems are offering up already qualifies as a sane choice. No need to beg, you should already by good to go.

Pfft. I find that also to be bullshit. But I do admit I have not paid much attention to some of them. The radicals stick out like a smashed finger however.

[tyrlaan]

Pfft. I find that also to be bullshit. But I do admit I have not paid much attention to some of them. The radicals stick out like a smashed finger however.

Of course you don't agree, you think Trump is acceptable.

I'd like to note that @Dacien, who I replied to with this comment, hasn't disagreed with me.

[Ghostpanther]

Of course you don't agree, you think Trump is acceptable.

I'd like to note that @Dacien, who I replied to with this comment, hasn't disagreed with me.

Over the radical democrat nominees? Like Sanders, Warren, Harris, Castro or Booker? For damn sure.

And Dacien will have his own opinion. Not for me to speak for him or anyone else on here.

[Blade Wolf]

Over the radical democrat nominees? Like Sanders, Warren, Harris, Castro or Booker? For damn sure.

And Dacien will have his own opinion. Not for me to speak for him or anyone else on here.

You named 3 status quo and 2 mildly left democrats. Not a single one of them is radical unless it's from the warped political view of the US.

[draynay]

All of his gaffes have reasonable explanations that can be attributed to misspeaking or misremembering though, including this one:

"A campaign official told Bloomberg that the former vice president was thinking of the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, which occurred during Biden's tenure."


Don't get me wrong he's been on a gaffe streak lately, but as long as it makes sense what he meant or what he was trying to say, as opposed to outright lying or indicating some kind of malevolence, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Strangely, I take little comfort that his mistake is understandable because there are so many school shootings and its easy to mix them up.

You named 3 status quo and 2 mildly left democrats. Not a single one of them is radical unless it's from the warped political view of the US.

To some people being non-white is radical.

[tyrlaan]

Over the radical democrat nominees? Like Sanders, Warren, Harris, Castro or Booker? For damn sure.

And Dacien will have his own opinion. Not for me to speak for him or anyone else on here.

"Radical". Lol.

Radical is stoking the flames of white nationalism that leads to mass shootings.

Radical is ignoring democratic norms when they suit you.

Radical is trying to obstruct justice at least 10 times.

I could go on, but I'm sure I'm wasting my time. If you think Trump is better than these "radical" democrats, you're already on board with racism, sexism, placating dictators, destroying the integrity of our election process, bankrupting farmers to get more money out of the pocket of citizens to not fix the trade issues with China, giving peanuts to the middle class so the rich can get richer and not trickle any of it down, the complete dismissal of climate change to the point of accelerating it, feeble attempts to prop up dying industries, and the existence of airports in 1776. I'm sure I missed some stuff, its tough to keep track.

So no, we won't be giving two shits what you have to say about Dem candidates.

[Video Games]

"Radical". Lol.

Radical is stoking the flames of white nationalism that leads to mass shootings.

Radical is ignoring democratic norms when they suit you.

Radical is trying to obstruct justice at least 10 times.

I could go on, but I'm sure I'm wasting my time. If you think Trump is better than these "radical" democrats, you're already on board with racism, sexism, placating dictators, destroying the integrity of our election process, bankrupting farmers to get more money out of the pocket of citizens to not fix the trade issues with China, giving peanuts to the middle class so the rich can get richer and not trickle any of it down, the complete dismissal of climate change to the point of accelerating it, feeble attempts to prop up dying industries, and the existence of airports in 1776. I'm sure I missed some stuff, its tough to keep track.

So no, we won't be giving two shits what you have to say about Dem candidates.

To be fair, helping poor people in this country is pretty radical

[tyrlaan]

To be fair, helping poor people in this country is pretty radical

In the nation the GOP keeps trying to peddle as a "Christian nation". The sad irony.

[Deletedaccount1]

To be fair, helping poor people in this country is pretty radical

In what world?

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[Video Games]

In what world?

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Now tell me your feelings on reduced military spending and taxing the rich more to increase school funding, fund a ubi and socialized healthcare for those in need.

[Deletedaccount1]

Now tell me your feelings on taxing the rich more to fund a ubi and socialized healthcare for those in need.

I wouldn't support that? You just said something that is patently untrue. If it was radical to "help poor people" in the US, American individuals wouldn't donate $400 billion to charity each year and 2/3 of the federal budget wouldn't be dedicated to welfare programs.

[Video Games]

I wouldn't support that? You just said something that is patently untrue. If it was radical to "help poor people" in the US, American individuals wouldn't donate $400 billion to charity each year and 2/3 of the federal budget wouldn't be dedicated to welfare programs.

I know you wouldnt support that. Thats why you call them radicals. And it doesnt matter what people donate to charity if they cant even go to the fucking doctor lol. How about the government take care of its citizens like its supposed to and not rely on public funding?

[tyrlaan]

In what world?

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Another thread derailer enters the fray!

[Deletedaccount1]

I know you wouldnt support that. Thats why you call them radicals. And it doesnt matter what people donate to charity if they cant even go to the fucking doctor lol

I never used the word radical, I'm pointing out that the idea that America is a land of unfettered self-interested capitalism is the most stale and false left-wing talking point that still gets parroted when there are giant and obvious counterfactuals present. Of course it matters what people donate to charity, a lot of that money helps feed and cloth poor children and homeless people among many other things. Of course, these people might be able to afford going to the doctor if the government didn't heavily pry in the healthcare sector the way it does.