Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Lenonis]

It is very telling the week the US markets crash, and there is an pandemic from coast to coast the Democratic front runner can't even be bothered to make public statements in person or online. Hillary hide during her general election campaign, that worked out real well.

He gave a speech on Tuesday. Sure he should be making more but you are making it sound like he's not doing anything this week which is false.

[kaid]

Yeah, because his surprise win in Iowa was big, but his results in every subsequent race, especially in light of Biden's huge win, made it clear that he wasn't going to get a plurality of delegates by a longshot.

Y'all see conspiracies and demons in your own shadows.

Edit: and as Endus pointed out, he wasn't second in delegates. He wasn't gonna beat Bernie in delegates, which made him remaining in the race pointless.

All petes performance showed is that Iowa and new hampshire are not very representative of the democratic party these days. It also shows that they probably should not be the first two races. Put something like south carolina first and that would give you a LOT better idea right away of who is and is not viable.

[Kasierith]

He gave a speech on Tuesday. Sure he should be making more but you are making it sound like he's not doing anything this week which is false.

Not to mention, there's nothing he (or Sanders) can do, apart from add fuel to the fire and make things worse. This is a time when trust in the government is both an absolute necessity, and also at an all time low. If the governor of Florida tells spring breakers to get off the beaches so they don't catch the virus, not notice it because they're young and healthy for stage 1, and bring it back to their communities, there needs to be just enough trust there that it happens.

As shocking as it may be for people, Sanders saying over and over that medicare for all would have fixed everything does not actually do a thing to help. Biden pushing the point every hour on the hour does not help.

There is a certain point where politicking from the sidelines does nothing but disrupt the scattered efforts that do exist. If that's the reason why Biden is taking the backseat while Sanders, historically immune to such nuances, is not, I'm pretty much all in for it.

[kaelleria]

Yeah, because his surprise win in Iowa was big, but his results in every subsequent race, especially in light of Biden's huge win, made it clear that he wasn't going to get a plurality of delegates by a longshot.

Y'all see conspiracies and demons in your own shadows.

Edit: and as Endus pointed out, he wasn't second in delegates. He wasn't gonna beat Bernie in delegates, which made him remaining in the race pointless.

Imagine a world where Iowa gets called by 9PM EST for Pete instead of the non-call we got...

[Themius]

Imagine a world where Iowa gets called by 9PM EST for Pete instead of the non-call we got...

I’m glad it fucked over Pete honestly as it was so close.

I was very worried in the beginning when Biden was falling behind. I felt it would have to come down to Biden or Bernie and when Pete was leading I was like well... that’s a problem. Because if Bernie loses to Pete then we have Pete?? Ugh no.

[Rukh]

I'm seeing this astroturfed "Where's Biden"? thing from multiple separate sources "sponatneously". Could you guys say where you're parroting this from? Couldn't get an answer on reddit yet either.


And to answer he's doing virtual ralleys, and an hour ago was doing a conference call with reporters. He's also putting together a team of former surgeons general and former director of FDA regarding Coronavirus. Both he and Sanders have cancelled a lot of events due to Coronavirus. That's what he's doing.

So where is this "Where's Biden" from? Who are you parroting?

[Edge-]

It is very telling the week the US markets crash, and there is an pandemic from coast to coast the Democratic front runner can't even be bothered to make public statements in person or online. Hillary hide during her general election campaign, that worked out real well.

Biden and Sanders already gave their coronavirus speeches. What's left for them to day? They're running campaigns, not the government.

Good lord, how insane are we going to make this yardstick for Biden?

So where is this "Where's Biden" from? Who are you parroting?

Seeing it doing the rounds on the hardcore progressive sites and progressive Twitter. It seems like this is their latest attempt to take some wind out of Biden's sails.

Though I doubt this will have traction outside progressive circles, so they're just preaching to the choir here. Will likely have little to no real world consequences.

[Rukh]

Biden and Sanders already gave their coronavirus speeches. What's left for them to day? They're running campaigns, not the government.

Good lord, how insane are we going to make this yardstick for Biden?



Seeing it doing the rounds on the hardcore progressive sites and progressive Twitter. It seems like this is their latest attempt to take some wind out of Biden's sails.

Though I doubt this will have traction outside progressive circles, so they're just preaching to the choir here. Will likely have little to no real world consequences.

It's just so weird and astro-turfy, and then people are like "yes that's the message that resonates with me and I should repeat!" Okay? I mean most places are quarantined and its a friday. Who TF cares? Maybe he's playing bondage games with Mrs. Biden. I don't know.

[DarkTZeratul]

With such a fracture field winning the majority was unlikely. It wasn't until all the leaders had dropped out that it even became possible. Bernie strategy has failed, but it got him a good majority of Delegates and he will clearly win more.

So he failed to anticipate that like in almost every other primary other candidates would fare poorly early on and drop out when they saw they couldn't win? Again: going for a plurality rather than a majority is not a good strategy. It's a plan B at best.

[Endus]

Biden and Sanders already gave their coronavirus speeches. What's left for them to day? They're running campaigns, not the government.

Good lord, how insane are we going to make this yardstick for Biden?

It's par for the course; get challenged on one bullshit angle, shift to another equally-bullshit angle. After a few shifts, return to the start and begin repeating already-debunked bullshit angles. Continue hoping that those debunking you get exhausted and give up.

Same shit Trump supporters always use. Exact same bad faith; all that's changed is the personality at the center of the cult of personality.

Seeing it doing the rounds on the hardcore progressive sites and progressive Twitter. It seems like this is their latest attempt to take some wind out of Biden's sails.

Though I doubt this will have traction outside progressive circles, so they're just preaching to the choir here. Will likely have little to no real world consequences.

I think it's less "progressive" and more "malingerer anti-government" sites. I'm a progressive, in any real sense of the word, and my only contact with this nonsense is here, where I keep speaking against it.

Guess it depends on whether you're into angrily waving signs, or working with decision makers to effect real change.

Like seriously; how many of you pro-Bernie types actually worked for his campaign? I don't mean attending rallies, I mean canvassing as a volunteer, at a minimum; actually working with the campaign staff? Cause I'm willing to bet the number's low, if not zero. And while I'm Canadian, and it's a different political landscape, I have canvassed for representatives I supported, and have had meetings with members about policy issues.

If you're not willing to get involved and work to effect change, you're demanding others do so for you, because you can't be arsed to. So it's hard to take heavy complaints seriously.

[I Push Buttons]

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/statu...66469926014978

The Senate GOP's plan to send checks will ignore many of our neediest:

A couple making $150K—$2,400
A senior getting $18K from Social Security—$600
Undocumented parents with citizen children—$0
Someone living off disability payments—$0
A student in 2018 who just got laid off—$0

1. Why should the government send checks to undocumented non-citizens in the country illegally?

2. How the fuck would you even send a check to someone who is not in the system and is literally hiding from the government?

[Edge-]

Undocumented citizens are a huge part of the US workforce. Hate it or love it, but that's the reality. There are green card holders who work in this country and in the system paying taxes every paycheck. Do they get any relief ?

If they have green cards, they're documented. I'd hope they receive checks.

But the undocumented parents with children who are US citizens...that's a trickier situation as there are arguments on both sides of that.

[Endus]

Keep telling yourself what you need to feel self righteous on a sub gaming forum. Start casting stones, because you know exactly how things work, and disregard any perceived fault of a candidate as "bad faith". We went through all of this in 2016. You all were wrong then, and I just hope I don't see a repeat of that. We don't dare raise our concerns, because how dare we.

Dude, I've criticized both Sanders and Biden myself. You're out to lunch, and arguing against a fiction in your own head, not me.

[d00mGuArD]

Undocumented citizens are a huge part of the US workforce. Hate it or love it, but that's the reality. There are green card holders who work in this country and in the system paying taxes every paycheck. Do they get any relief ?

Undocumented means by definition that they are NOT in the documents.
No one has their names on record. How are you supposed to send them money?
Oh I have an idea. Give their check to me, I will make sure they get it!

Green card holders are DOCUMENTED. Their document is exactly that, a literally green card. Duh....

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But the undocumented parents with children who are US citizens...that's a trickier situation as there are arguments on both sides of that.

illegal actions should be punished, not rewarded. you can check out this simple fact yourself! go and do something illegal and see if you will get any reward!
no one should be above the law.

[PACOX]

I'm seeing this astroturfed "Where's Biden"? thing from multiple separate sources "sponatneously". Could you guys say where you're parroting this from? Couldn't get an answer on reddit yet either.

Do you know how trends work? Don't put too much stock in 'trends' that don't last long. Trends are just the mode of hasgtags at a given time. 20 unique hasgtags might have been posted in a span of 5 min with one being duplicated 3 times. The latter would be considered 'trending' even though most people aren't concerned with it.

[Spectral]

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/statu...66469926014978



1. Why should the government send checks to undocumented non-citizens in the country illegally?

2. How the fuck would you even send a check to someone who is not in the system and is literally hiding from the government?

That tweet is pants-on-head retarded. Yeah, the checks are going to Americans that lost the ability to make an honest living, not to people whose circumstances are largely unchanged or that aren't supposed to be here in the first place. Working as intended.

[Theodarzna]

Micheal Moore speaking candidly. I guess its an open secret within the party functionaries and apparatchiks that Biden's brain is turning to pudding.

Take it for what its worth, but I doubt in an election Biden will survive Trump? So what is Biden the "vote for the puppet masters" candidate? Who will be pulling this vegetable's strings? This is in essence voting for a Vice President. How it is that anyone seriously thinks its a smart idea to turn the country over to a dementia patient is beyond me. On top of that they have to keep him in a bunker so he doesn't get and die of the COVID, or just make an ass of himself publicly.

[alexw]

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/statu...66469926014978

Looks like the republicans are repeating the mistakes of the Herbert Hoover administration.

This isn't or at least shouldn't be about throwing token bribes at voters so as to give cover for the massive corporate bailouts they want to undertake.

Somewhere between 20% to 50% of the economy has just been vaporized.

If they want to stop the rest of the economy imploding with it, they need to replace the lost incomes of those working in the vaporized economic sectors so they can continue to consume the outcome of of the still active parts of the economy, until the crisis has passed and the collapsed economic sectors can exit life support. If they don't there will be a Great Depression MKII.

Every day matters in this and the longer they take the greater the economic damage will be. So they need to act fast. Not in a week. Not even tomorrow. But right now, today.

Europe seems to understand this.

The republicans don't seem to get it at all.

[beanman12345]

Got to make sure their senior base get's that money though.

[Sunseeker]

I'm seeing this astroturfed "Where's Biden"? thing from multiple separate sources "sponatneously". Could you guys say where you're parroting this from? Couldn't get an answer on reddit yet either.


And to answer he's doing virtual ralleys, and an hour ago was doing a conference call with reporters. He's also putting together a team of former surgeons general and former director of FDA regarding Coronavirus. Both he and Sanders have cancelled a lot of events due to Coronavirus. That's what he's doing.

So where is this "Where's Biden" from? Who are you parroting?

UGH. I just saw it on my FB feed from The 98%. The comments seem to be fairly split between "Yeah where's Biden HUH!!??" and "Come on guys this is not helping."