Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Shadowferal]

bama privately said he would speak up to stop Sanders: report

President Obama privately said he would speak up to stop Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) from becoming the Democratic presidential nominee, Politico reported Tuesday.

The former president reportedly said if Sanders held a strong lead in the Democratic primary, he would speak out to prevent him from becoming the nominee.

A close adviser to Obama told Politico he could not confirm whether Obama would stand up against Sanders.

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If true I can see this blowing up back in his face...assuming it would happen.

[nonameelf]

Obama gets it. Dems falling into the trap of thinking their policies are more popular outside of their activist circles than they really are.

Reminds me of Bernie Sanders' recent comment about how "76% of democrats support M4A." ....and what about everyone else? Like how tone deaf can you be. They're going to be their own worst enemy. Again.

Why should they give a shit about what Republicans think? Republicans would never vote for a Democrat regardless of how moderate they are. Just look at Clinton, she was Republican-Lite.

[JohnBrown1917]

bama privately said he would speak up to stop Sanders: report

President Obama privately said he would speak up to stop Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) from becoming the Democratic presidential nominee, Politico reported Tuesday.

The former president reportedly said if Sanders held a strong lead in the Democratic primary, he would speak out to prevent him from becoming the nominee.

A close adviser to Obama told Politico he could not confirm whether Obama would stand up against Sanders.

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If true I can see this blowing up back in his face...assuming it would happen.

He prefers the status quo, nothing new.

[Gestopft]

Most pathetic "hit piece" on Bernie ever, courtesy of Politico:

How Bernie's Small Donors Are Making Credit Card Companies Rich

"Oh, Bernie must be a hypocrite because his army of small donors is helping the big credit card companies." Are they seriously trying to make having tons of small donors seem like somehow a bad thing?

[docterfreeze]

Why should they give a shit about what Republicans think? Republicans would never vote for a Democrat regardless of how moderate they are. Just look at Clinton, she was Republican-Lite.

I was republican in 2016 but because of Yang i registered dem to vote for him in the primaries. Check out his interviews with Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson(and other republican interviewers), as well as the reactions to them. The way he presents his ideas could easily flip republicans.

[Elegiac]

I was republican in 2016 but because of Yang i registered dem to vote for him in the primaries. Check out his interviews with Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson(and other republican interviewers), as well as the reactions to them. The way he presents his ideas could easily flip republicans.

We're well aware Yang is hoovering up the remnants of the former Ron Paul crowd, bud.

[Smitzelplix]

To a certain extent, Elizabeth Warren and other democratic candidates are partially following his advice. According to the Seattle Times, Warren plans to delay Medicare for All until the third year, instead starting off with the Public Option, which is kind of a watered down version of Medicare for All. So, the democratic primary could be summarized as follows:

Beginning: WE WANT MEDICARE FOR ALL.

Public: Too much change too fast.

Now: Ok Public Option, and we'll think about Medicare for All later on.

Medicare for All still polls pretty decently. But scaling back its implementation to 2023 or most likely 2025 seems reasonable considering the political landscape. Public Option is something that republicans can still attack so they will have their fun in the next election, while being something that democrats can defend quite easily. Skroe might prefer that democrats run as republicans, but I'll point out that Hillary tried that in 2016 and it backfired miserably.

Speaking of Warren; Elizabeth Warren Tanks From First to Third in Poll, Biggest Drop for Any Democratic Candidate

Now the article points out that maybe she's losing popularity because medicare for all is losing popularity, but I'm wondering if it's because she's not sticking to her guns and starting to consider pushing back medicare for all implementation that is causing her to lose popularity, because I don't think Bernie has taken a huge drop yet; has he?

[Elegiac]

Speaking of Warren; Elizabeth Warren Tanks From First to Third in Poll, Biggest Drop for Any Democratic Candidate

Now the article points out that maybe she's losing popularity because medicare for all is losing popularity, but I'm wondering if it's because she's not sticking to her guns and starting to consider pushing back medicare for all implementation that is causing her to lose popularity, because I don't think Bernie has taken a huge drop yet; has he?

Probably a mixture of both factors, as Bernie's poll numbers are remaining relatively steady.

[kaelleria]

Speaking of Warren; Elizabeth Warren Tanks From First to Third in Poll, Biggest Drop for Any Democratic Candidate

Now the article points out that maybe she's losing popularity because medicare for all is losing popularity, but I'm wondering if it's because she's not sticking to her guns and starting to consider pushing back medicare for all implementation that is causing her to lose popularity, because I don't think Bernie has taken a huge drop yet; has he?

Pete has been siphoning a lot of her supporters away because she gambled on M4A and got called out.

And its not just the Q poll... She lost ground in NH, Iowa and California polls too.
A CNN poll leaked, it's going to be published tomorrow, that has her and Biden both losing 3% or more.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/...13b.-.2020.pdf

[Elegiac]

Pete has been siphoning a lot of her supporters away because she gambled on M4A and got called out.

And its not just the Q poll... She lost ground in NH, Iowa and California polls too.
A CNN poll leaked, it's going to be published tomorrow, that has her and Biden both losing 3% or more.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/...13b.-.2020.pdf

Which is doubly amusing considering Pete's prior flip flop on Medicare for All.

The insurance industry is going to strangle this country to death.

[docterfreeze]

We're well aware Yang is hoovering up the remnants of the former Ron Paul crowd, bud.

Their similarities stop at their online popularity. Everyone would do better to judge candidates based on their policies instead of their popularity.

[nonameelf]

Speaking of Warren; Elizabeth Warren Tanks From First to Third in Poll, Biggest Drop for Any Democratic Candidate

Now the article points out that maybe she's losing popularity because medicare for all is losing popularity, but I'm wondering if it's because she's not sticking to her guns and starting to consider pushing back medicare for all implementation that is causing her to lose popularity, because I don't think Bernie has taken a huge drop yet; has he?

Ugh, I do not want Biden to get the nomination. He'll lose to fucking Trump because the average voter who's not very engaged in politics will be "Looks like Biden is corrupt, and also Trump is corrupt, so I'll just not vote," and Trump's base will bring him to victory again.

[Elegiac]

Their similarities stop at their online popularity. Everyone would do better to judge candidates based on their policies instead of their popularity.

If that were the case you wouldn't have voted for Trump in 2016 because he had no policies. Just saying.

[docterfreeze]

If that were the case you wouldn't have voted for Trump in 2016 because he had no policies. Just saying.

Trump had nationalist policies that I liked. Let's not derail though, we're talking about Yang. Is his popularity the only reason you're dismissing him?

[Dontrike]

They suround themselves by presstitutes, bootlickers, yes-men and generally people whom they pay to tell them what they want to hear.

You just described Trump perfectly.

[Blur4stuff]

It's very difficult to understand people who don't want some version of M4A (there's plenty of flexibility here). Making minor adjustments to Obamacare won't make things better. Scrapping Obamacare completely and doing whatever the hell it is republicans would end up doing (they don't even know) would certainly be worse.

I hear local seniors bashing dems for wanting healthcare improvements on a weekly basis. They all, of course, have medicare. It's very strange hearing them regurgitate fox news propaganda while benefiting from the exact thing they're bashing.

[Elegiac]

It's very difficult to understand people who don't want some version of M4A (there's plenty of flexibility here). Making minor adjustments to Obamacare won't make things better. Scrapping Obamacare completely and doing whatever the hell it is republicans would end up doing (they don't even know) would certainly be worse.

I hear local seniors bashing dems for wanting healthcare improvements on a weekly basis. They all, of course, have medicare. It's very strange hearing them regurgitate fox news propaganda while benefiting from the exact thing they're bashing.

A lot of it just amounts to change being scary, and that fear is being stoked by a lot of moneyed interests who would rather single payer not cut into their profits.

[nonameelf]

It's very difficult to understand people who don't want some version of M4A (there's plenty of flexibility here). Making minor adjustments to Obamacare won't make things better. Scrapping Obamacare completely and doing whatever the hell it is republicans would end up doing (they don't even know) would certainly be worse.

I hear local seniors bashing dems for wanting healthcare improvements on a weekly basis. They all, of course, have medicare. It's very strange hearing them regurgitate fox news propaganda while benefiting from the exact thing they're bashing.

No matter what is done in regards to M4A, we need to have price caps on healthcare. Even if M4A is EVIL SOCIALISM, we need to do something about costs. I think that's something everyone should be able to agree on, but apparently not since Republicans apparently like paying out the ass and going into debt if they get sick.

[Elegiac]

No matter what is done in regards to M4A, we need to have price caps on healthcare. Even if M4A is EVIL SOCIALISM, we need to do something about costs. I think that's something everyone should be able to agree on, but apparently not since Republicans apparently like paying out the ass and going into debt if they get sick.

Therein is the problem.

There's only so much that can be done to curtail costs without reckoning with the simple fact that private health insurance adds a whole layer of cost and bloat that doesn't need to be there.

[nonameelf]

Therein is the problem.

There's only so much that can be done to curtail costs without reckoning with the simple fact that private health insurance adds a whole layer of cost and bloat that doesn't need to be there.

Yeah. Simplest solution is a single payer system where the government is empowered to negotiate prices.

But if that's to "socialist" for America then we need hard regulations on costs and such because they are truly out of control.