Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[jeezusisacasual]

Here's the difference.

Everyone else isn't claiming some form of ideological purity. Sanders' supporters are.

Bernie is not my horse by the way, i am firmly in the Warren camp but i would gladly support him or anyone from the democratic field. I do not mind that they are wanting purity nor do i pay any real attention to peoples followers as i do the actual people running. I dont care what X has to say or Y has to say, i care about areas that impact me ( global monetary system ) and healthcare with being a type 1 diabetic my entire point is healthcare related. The age of populism is just getting started in my honest opinion.

[Gestopft]

The age of populism is just getting started in my honest opinion.

The sooner Democrats realize this, the better off the country will be.

[Skroe]

Bernie is not my horse by the way, i am firmly in the Warren camp but i would gladly support him or anyone from the democratic field. I do not mind that they are wanting purity nor do i pay any real attention to peoples followers as i do the actual people running. I dont care what X has to say or Y has to say, i care about areas that impact me ( global monetary system ) and healthcare with being a type 1 diabetic my entire point is healthcare related. The age of populism is just getting started in my honest opinion.

Heh........ I rather doubt it.

Fact is the circle jerk that is populism pushers on the right and left have thought their time has come in America since the 1940s.

It's nothing new.

Populust Republican Donald Trump - a populist - has a record of achievement aproximately three lines long.

But sure. Let's try the Populist Democrat. It's going to be hilarious watching my taxes not increases with a Sanderista-style President.

Thank the lord Candidate Heart Attack is in the closing years of his political career with no real successor in sight. He's a cancer upon this country's politics. He's been a failure as a Senator and he'd be a Trumpian failure as a President too. And it's all because populism and my-way-zero-compromise politics is a highway to getting nothing done.

[Elegiac]

Heh........ I rather doubt it.

Fact is the circle jerk that is populism pushers on the right and left have thought their time has come in America since the 1940s.

It's nothing new.

Know what is?

The economic conditions for breeding extremism of the sort the Marshall Plan was trying to avoid.

[Wyrt]

Does populism now just mean "Trying to implement policies that work well in other countries instead of just continuing the stupid American versions of them which are both more expensive and have worse results?"

[Elegiac]

Does populism now just mean "Trying to implement policies that work well in other countries instead of just continuing the stupid American versions of them which are both more expensive and have worse results?"

Pretty much. Anything to line the pockets of the upper classes.

[eschatological]

Does populism now just mean "Trying to implement policies that work well in other countries instead of just continuing the stupid American versions of them which are both more expensive and have worse results?"

Nope. Warren has almost identical policies to Sanders........but she's not a populist.

Populism is more about the followers, as opposed to who they're following. Demagogues can sometimes be vague, and speak in euphemisms (Bernie isn't vague, but does use aspirational language), but populism is defined by a following that elevates their candidate into the only acceptable choice, an all-or-nothing proposition, that if you disagree with you are clearly in the wrong. Often to the point of irrationality.

I'm not saying all of Bernie's supporters are like that, but they acted that way in 2016, and so far a great deal of them are acting similarly this cycle as well. They seem to think they and their candidate are the saviors of the <insert whatever body-politik they're running for>.

And, in Bernie's case, they almost always are political neophytes - people who've only become concerned with politics in, oh, the last 4-12 years, when, tbf, Obama started a form of leftwing populism with his "Yes, We Can" nonsense.

[TexasRules]

The NYT editorial board has endorsed their candidate finally.......it is Elizabeth Warren AND Amy Klobuchar. The most recent candidates endorsed by the NYT board were Kerry(2004), Clinton(2008) and Clinton(2016), so Warren and Klobuchar have absolutely no chance of getting the nomination. Jinxing 2 candidates is a great idea!

[Elegiac]

The NYT editorial board has endorsed their candidate finally.......it is Elizabeth Warren AND Amy Klobuchar. The most recent candidates endorsed by the NYT board were Kerry(2004), Clinton(2008) and Clinton(2016), so Warren and Klobuchar have absolutely no chance of getting the nomination. Jinxing 2 candidates is a great idea!

Let me know when someone starts giving a shit what the NYT thinks.

[Orbitus]

Let me know when someone starts giving a shit what the NYT thinks.

Should ask him how many endorsements that Trump got. And who endorsed him, because like the first 5 or so endorsements he had, are like, in jail, lol.

[jeezusisacasual]

Heh........ I rather doubt it.

Fact is the circle jerk that is populism pushers on the right and left have thought their time has come in America since the 1940s.

It's nothing new.

Populust Republican Donald Trump - a populist - has a record of achievement aproximately three lines long.

But sure. Let's try the Populist Democrat. It's going to be hilarious watching my taxes not increases with a Sanderista-style President.

Thank the lord Candidate Heart Attack is in the closing years of his political career with no real successor in sight. He's a cancer upon this country's politics. He's been a failure as a Senator and he'd be a Trumpian failure as a President too. And it's all because populism and my-way-zero-compromise politics is a highway to getting nothing done.

I think his rise was mostly at fault with how horrible Clinton was otherwise he would never had a platform to even speak enough on to gain a following. Also i am not in the states so what i read is mostly internet related news sites which is more then likely over playing the hand of real disruption for clicks/views. That being said Bernie would likely get as much done as Trump has gotten done but i do think he would show up in their district putting pressure and a name / face on an issue which no person wants which could either work in his favor or split his base even further should he win ( i still think it will be Warren or Biden ).

The nation is still very sick and looking for a cure which is what breeds the types of Trump or Sanders which should be fixed or atleast a bone or 2 thrown in that direction before it fragments further. This era will be akin to a child throwing a temper tantrum.

[Gestopft]

Heh........ I rather doubt it.

What 2008 did to the prospects of Millennials (and Gen Z), and what the previous three+ decades did to the working class isn't going to go away.

[Ghostpanther]

If you can't understand the difference between a substantive policy program and Obama's meaningless rhetoric you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

A US Constitutional right is all any citizen needs to be able to vote here. Certain opinions are not a requirement. Thankfully.

[JohnBrown1917]

...the dude's 78 years old and a millionaire several times over. You really think, at that age, career moves/evolution is his motivation? o_O

We are talking about the same guy who was getting arrested in 1963 for marching in the Black Rights march, right?

Also was very early on the LGBT-rights train, way back when that could only hurt your career.

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Here's the difference.

Everyone else isn't claiming some form of ideological purity. Sanders' supporters are.

If that where true, they would long ago have been split in up into soc dems(sanders), socialist groups, Ancoms etc..

[infinitemeridian]

Populism means having a vision and policies that excites a large portion of the voterbase, especially people who may otherwise have not given a shit.

Elites don't like it because it means they have to get off their asses and try. Imagine being such a contrarian as to think that populism, aka politics that represents the people, is a bad thing.

[Kronik85]

Populism means having a vision and policies that excites a large portion of the voterbase, especially people who may otherwise have not given a shit.

Elites don't like it because it means they have to get off their asses and try. Imagine being such a contrarian as to think that populism, aka politics that represents the people, is a bad thing.

I mean if that was true then that Populism would be great! Unfortunately Populism is actually just trying simple solutions to complex problems which is fantastic for messaging but terrible for governance.

[JohnBrown1917]

I mean if that was true then that Populism would be great! Unfortunately Populism is actually just trying simple solutions to complex problems which is fantastic for messaging but terrible for governance.

Letting the rich decide everything gets you far worse results.

[infinitemeridian]

I mean if that was true then that Populism would be great! Unfortunately Populism is actually just trying simple solutions to complex problems which is fantastic for messaging but terrible for governance.

Sometimes simple solutions are best. The reason we're in the state we are is because everything is just layers and layers of bureaucracy and technocratic jargon. Many of these complex problems are only complex because they've had years of slap-dashed policies thrown on top of them (one of the many failures of compromise and 3rd way politics). Nobody understands what's going on and honestly, they shouldn't have to.

Doing my taxes or trying to figure out healthcare should not be hard. Things like M4A cut out the chafe and give clear, concise answers to people's questions. I don't want to have to think about healthcare.

[Kronik85]

Sometimes simple solutions are best. The reason we're in the state we are is because everything is just layers and layers of bureaucracy and technocratic jargon. Many of these complex problems are only complex because they've had years of slap-dashed policies thrown on top of them (one of the many failures of compromise and 3rd way politics). Nobody understands what's going on and honestly, they shouldn't have to.

Doing my taxes or trying to figure out healthcare should not be hard. Things like M4A cut out the chafe and give clear, concise answers to people's questions. I don't want to have to think about healthcare.

Look at your current administration to see how well populist ideas translate into actual governance. I think you are conflating systems with governance. Yes taxes and health care don't have to be complicated, but there is no silver bullet to getting there, that takes nuance.

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Letting the rich decide everything gets you far worse results.

No one is advocating for this.

[JohnBrown1917]

No one is advocating for this.

Yet, that is what the people who rally against so called "populism" do.