Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[tyrlaan]

He was fired.

They found a perpetrator of that and removed him. Jesus christ.

The Bernie hate is fucking RIDICULOUS in this thread.

By all means disagree with his policies, prefer different candidates, etc., etc., but the bad faith posters who just regurgitate pearl clutching bullshit "articles" to reinforce tired lies and exaggerations should really stop. The only one it makes look bad are these posters, showing that their either gullible enough to believe this nonsense, or just shameless enough to post things they know are lies.

[I Push Buttons]

What does that have to with our assertion that Bernie's campaign employees are the ones behind the vitrol?

He asked what that persons complaint was... I pointed out that the Bernie campaign is full of shit. You replied with some bullshit arguing against something I didn't even say... I pointed out an additional example of the Bernie campaign's vile nonsense.

while I am sure you will find bad apples in any campaign

Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars Sanders claims his entire movement, let alone his campaign, doesn't, hence the criticism. This isn't complicated.

[Milchshake]

You said employees of Sanders campaign are doing it when it's so far just one guy.

Just the first guy to get caught.

That awkward sensation, ya know the one you get from walking backwards. Get used to it.

How many more of his campaign staff have alts and sock puppets? I wonder when wiki leaks is going to start dropping their emails and DMs.

Not if, when. GRU has most likely penetrated all of the major campaigns. So really, it's in Bernie's best interest to have his staff come clean earlier than later.

Being the most popular candidate on reddit and 4chan has a cost

[Draco-Onis]

He asked what that persons complaint was... I pointed out that the Bernie campaign is full of shit. You replied with some bullshit arguing against something I didn't even say... I pointed out an additional example of the Bernie campaign's vile nonsense.



Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars Sanders claims his entire movement, let alone his campaign, doesn't, hence the criticism. This isn't complicated.

shrug that was not a realistic claim but again find it ironic that a Trump supporter is getting involved in this discussion.

[Endus]

A question a lot of doctors in healthcare are wondering with a nationalized healthcare system. Would doctors get to choose where they work and live just like now? Or would the need of physicians in certain areas outweigh where doctors would like to live?

Why wouldn't they? In every other developed nation, which has some form of nationalized universal health care, doctors are free to choose where they work and live. Within the limits of the market, at least; if there's no patients to be had where you set up, or no positions for a specialist of your type, then you're not going to be successful, but that's the same as literally any job in the private sector, not a change in any respect at all.

The Bernie hate is fucking RIDICULOUS in this thread.

By all means disagree with his policies, prefer different candidates, etc., etc., but the bad faith posters who just regurgitate pearl clutching bullshit "articles" to reinforce tired lies and exaggerations should really stop. The only one it makes look bad are these posters, showing that their either gullible enough to believe this nonsense, or just shameless enough to post things they know are lies.

I crapped on Bernie's character a fair bit. If it wasn't this thread, it was certainly a couple others. But it was entirely based on his conduct regarding the manipulation of the DNC's rules to squeeze himself into the party when it's convenient, while not choosing to remain a member in the interim. His policies are still the #1 preference of mine, and he's the overall #2 choice I'd make in a primary vote, were I American (the first being Warren).

The venom against everything Bernie is shocking even me. That's why I've ended up spending more of my more-recent posting defending the guy.

I used to think the Democrats were a significant step up from the Republicans. This election is doing a lot to convince me they're both stooping to similar lows.

[Draco-Onis]

Just the first guy to get caught.

That awkward sensation, ya know the one you get from walking backwards. Get used to it.

How many more of his campaign staff have alts and sock puppets? I wonder when wiki leaks is going to start dropping their emails and DMs.

Not if, when. GRU has most likely penetrated all of the major campaigns. So really, it's in Bernie's best interest to have his staff come clean earlier than later.

Being the most popular candidate on reddit and 4chan has a cost

I am not sure this is as much of a gotcha as you think it is he will find bad people and they will lose their jobs not sure what the issue is.

[Trunksee]

What is your complaint?

That they fired a piece of shit?

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What hypocrisy?

No one is supporting Bloomberg, other than people who once supported Trump.

Weird way to look at it. Does this mean that if Bloomberg loses then the support could flip back to Trump if Sanders gets the nomination?

What i haven't seen a lot of is how these candidates are poling amongst likely voters in the 5 key states. We have already seen that even if nationally a candidate is trending higher it does not even matter due to a lot of the votes being in states or even districts that are already so one sided it doesn't matter if all of them vote for one candidate. Trump was behind Clinton in poling the entire time because the poling did not reflect the districts that mattered in the end.

[Bodakane]

Weird way to look at it. Does this mean that if Bloomberg loses then the support could flip back to Trump if Sanders gets the nomination?

What i haven't seen a lot of is how these candidates are poling amongst likely voters in the 5 key states. We have already seen that even if nationally a candidate is trending higher it does not even matter due to a lot of the votes being in states or even districts that are already so one sided it doesn't matter if all of them vote for one candidate. Trump was behind Clinton in poling the entire time because the poling did not reflect the districts that mattered in the end.

The swing states are and always have been key.

The problem is that people think swing states are moderate. They aren't. They are independent, but they want drastic change. That's why they went Trump in 2016. They don't necessarily agree with his policies, they just didn't want another moderate typical politician. They will vote against him...IF we give them a candidate like Bernie or Warren.

[I Push Buttons]

shrug that was not a realistic claim but again find it ironic that a Trump supporter is getting involved in this discussion.

Lol you keep saying that I am a Trump supporter over and over.

Can you provide literally one single example of me supporting Trump? Ever. Just one.

I have ten thousand posts on this forum, almost all of them in Off-Topic and Politics. It should be quite an easy task if I am the Trump supporter you keep asserting I am.

[Trunksee]

The swing states are and always have been key.

The problem is that people think swing states are moderate. They aren't. They are independent, but they want drastic change. That's why they went Trump in 2016. They don't necessarily agree with his policies, they just didn't want another moderate typical politician. They will vote against him...IF we give them a candidate like Bernie or Warren.

Possibly or they could just not show up due to the fact that they saw what someone far outside the norm causes. Could they just want to go back to the status quo without the divisiveness? Or could they possibly like what is going on like me. Honestly this entire election needs to be about the SCOTUS. It will be telling which way the country is leaning if either candidate runs on that platform.

[Bodakane]

Possibly or they could just not show up due to the fact that they saw what someone far outside the norm causes. Could they just want to go back to the status quo without the divisiveness? Or could they possibly like what is going on like me. Honestly this entire election needs to be about the SCOTUS. It will be telling which way the country is leaning if either candidate runs on that platform.

Bernie is not equidistant from the norm that Trump was.

He's a serious adult for one. Two, he's intelligent and respects the law and the institutions of the government.

Trump was far from the norm on intelligence, preparedness, decorum and attitude. Bernie is only outside the norm on policy. And it is that, that people are actually wanting right now.

[PACOX]

Taken out of context maybe?

We all misspeak but man, Joe Biden is out here telling people he is running for Senate.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1232163315369086976

[Skroe]

Taken out of context maybe?

We all misspeak but man, Joe Biden is out here telling people he is running for Senate.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1232163315369086976

Because he's senile. This makes him a vast improvement from Donald Trump.

[Trunksee]

Bernie is not equidistant from the norm that Trump was.

He's a serious adult for one. Two, he's intelligent and respects the law and the institutions of the government.

Trump was far from the norm on intelligence, preparedness, decorum and attitude. Bernie is only outside the norm on policy. And it is that, that people are actually wanting right now.

True but do they want his policies other than things they believe will make them richer. Are they willing to for go other ideals they have? This whole electuon has nothing to do with the man or woman in the oval office for the next 4 years but who gets those 2 more probable spots on the SCOTUS. The court is way more important than the presidency and noone is pushing this factas of yet.

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Because he's senile. This makes him a vast improvement from Donald Trump.

After this gaff Biden is now dead in the water.

[tyrlaan]

I crapped on Bernie's character a fair bit. If it wasn't this thread, it was certainly a couple others. But it was entirely based on his conduct regarding the manipulation of the DNC's rules to squeeze himself into the party when it's convenient, while not choosing to remain a member in the interim. His policies are still the #1 preference of mine, and he's the overall #2 choice I'd make in a primary vote, were I American (the first being Warren).

The venom against everything Bernie is shocking even me. That's why I've ended up spending more of my more-recent posting defending the guy.

I used to think the Democrats were a significant step up from the Republicans. This election is doing a lot to convince me they're both stooping to similar lows.

Aye, I've seen at least some of your criticisms, but like you rightly say, it's based on your opinion of his character rather than spinning up some fiction. And what you say here about posting trends here is pretty consistent with my take/experience as well, though my takeaway has been to mostly just stay away from the forums. I peek in every now and then out of (morbid) curiosity, but if I want to read made up anti-Bernie nonsense, I don't need to hunt it down on a forum.

[Sunseeker]

I am not sure this is as much of a gotcha as you think it is he will find bad people and they will lose their jobs not sure what the issue is.

Something something if Sanders supporters are horrible toxic trolls then Bernie himself must be a horrible toxic troll or at least privately supporting it.

[Bodakane]

True but do they want his policies other than things they believe will make them richer. Are they willing to for go other ideals they have? This whole electuon has nothing to do with the man or woman in the oval office for the next 4 years but who gets those 2 more probable spots on the SCOTUS. The court is way more important than the presidency and noone is pushing this factas of yet.

I'm speaking about independents only. They aren't considering the SCOTUS. I am, you are......but they aren't.

[Skroe]

True but do they want his policies other than things they believe will make them richer. Are they willing to for go other ideals they have? This whole electuon has nothing to do with the man or woman in the oval office for the next 4 years but who gets those 2 more probable spots on the SCOTUS. The court is way more important than the presidency and noone is pushing this factas of yet.

Ah yes. I totally forgot.

The consequences of Bernie Sanders' supporters living in la-la land about how Democratic Socialism is going to carry ol' Bernie to victory.

The chances of 86 year ol' RBG making it to 2024 are well... how shall we say... decidedly not good.

So the Sanderistas will put on their Sunday's best and honorably lose on the field of battle. At least they died being believers in Democratic Socialism. And 2nd Term President Donald Trump get's to put another judge on the Supreme Court, giving the theorized 6-3 majority that John Roberts supposed wants before overturning Roe v. Wade. Oh and just behind RBG is 81 year old Stephen Breyer, who hits male life expectancy a few years ago. So maybe make that 7-2.

But at least they all stood for their platform that Mitch McConnell wouldn't even bring to a vote anyway! At least the waved the flag of their motherfucking beliefs.

As I said, this is a goddamn Greek Tragedy. When Bernie's cult loses - and they will - they'll deserve it for fighting the fight so profoundly stupidly.

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After this gaff Biden is now dead in the water.

Nah. Biden's dead in the water because he forgot to build an actual campaign.

But in terms of gaffes, Bernie is going to pay for his Castro comments in spades in October/November. That's a 47% moment right there, for one crucial block of voters. It's real bad. He's toast in Florida.

[DocSavageFan]

Because he's senile.

Sadly...it's beginning to look that way. Joe's always been a gaffe machine...but some of the things he's said over the past few months are starting to worry me that something else may be going on.

[JohnBrown1917]

But in terms of gaffes, Bernie is going to pay for his Castro comments in spades in October/November. That's a 47% moment right there, for one crucial block of voters. It's real bad. He's toast in Florida.

Yeah, just like it did for Obama!