Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Flarelaine]

Pete, Amy, Tulsi, Steyer, and Warren shouldn’t be allowed to stay in the race after SC.

"Shouldn't be allowed".

Do you actually mean that? Is there some authority you envision removing them from the race? Whose authority?

Seeking office via courting votes is democracy. Any authority intervening and removing contestants is an affront to that.

[NineSpine]

Trump is simply going to make advert that shows Bernie praising Castro, and it will crush any hopes of Bernie winning Florida.

Bernie can't win this. We are so fucked for the next 4 years. . . . .

Do you honestly believe that Cubans who are still hung up on Castro are voting for Democrats? Seriously?

[Elegiac]

The DNC either needs to institute ranked choice voting or institute rules that force the field to be narrowed down over time, because having this many people in the race at this point is just retarded. If we had RCV, then the amount of candidates wouldn’t be a problem, but under the current system, delusional ego maniacs can keep on running even though they have no chance of even coming close to winning and just act as spoilers for other candidates. By the time that Super Tuesday starts, there should only be 2 or maybe 3 people still in the race.

Pete, Amy, Tulsi, Steyer, and Warren shouldn’t be allowed to stay in the race after SC.

Indeed. Just like people over 75 shouldn’t be allowed to run for the Democratic nomination and non party members should not be allowed on the primary ballot.

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Do you honestly believe that Cubans who are still hung up on Castro are voting for Democrats? Seriously?

In a word: yes. The polling from Florida in the aforementioned politico article supports this.

[NineSpine]

Indeed. Just like people over 75 shouldn’t be allowed to run for the Democratic nomination and non parry members should not be allowed on the primary ballot.

Good thing everyone on the primary ballot is a party member.

[Elegiac]

Good thing everyone on the primary ballot is a party member.

Sanders, among others, are not.

Caucusing with the Democrats does not make you a party member. As far as I’m concerned the primary needs to be closed.

[NineSpine]

Indeed. Just like people over 75 shouldn’t be allowed to run for the Democratic nomination and non parry members should not be allowed on the primary ballot.

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In a word: yes. The polling from Florida in the aforementioned politico article supports this.

If you think that there is a single human being on the planet who says "I was going to vote for sanders, but he once said we shouldn't shit on good ideas just because a bad person did them once" you are deranged.

Besides, Sanders doesn't need Florida.

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Sanders, among others, are not.

Caucusing with the Democrats does not make you a party member. As far as I’m concerned the primary needs to be closed.

Sanders is a Democrat right now.

[Elegiac]

If you think that there is a single human being on the planet who says "I was going to vote for sanders, but he once said we shouldn't shit on good ideas just because a bad person did them once" you are deranged.

More accurately: “Sanders’ long history of apologia for left wing authoritarian regimes is going to be turned into fodder against him in the general election and he has essentially indicated that he still holds those beliefs.”

Besides, Sanders doesn't need Florida.

The caucasity.

[Flarelaine]

Something that's been bouncing around my silly skull is the Wyoming Option, which would dramatically increase the number of House members to 550ish (there is another option as well, that I can't remember, which would increase the House to something like 700+ - @Fungus I believe knows this one). That kind of increase would make the United States' ripe for a viable third party - something in the moderate range, between GOP and Democrats.

There would be no more space for third parties as long as you keep FPTP. However, those options would still mitigate the outsized influence of prairie states in the Electoral College.

Also, you keep misspelling @Fugus although he has been kind enough not to call you out on it.

[Elegiac]

Sanders is a Democrat right now.

And if he or any of his co-ideologues cease to be Democrats after the 2020 election they should be barred from primary ballots for the subsequent electoral cycle.

No blue populism, thanks.

[DocSavageFan]

Biden's latest "gaffe" is quite disturbing imo. And the sad part is that he seems completely oblivious that he screwed up. Wow.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/joe-bi...-latest-gaffe/

[NineSpine]

More accurately: “Sanders’ long history of apologia for left wing authoritarian regimes is going to be turned into fodder against him in the general election and he has essentially indicated that he still holds those beliefs.”

The caucasity.

Nothing he said was even close to apologia. Did he reject apoplectic, freak out attitudes? Yes. The idea that unless you take part oinn red-baiting freak outs and apoplectic breakdowns about everything you are committing "apologia" is laughable, and if that's the strategy his opponents want to hang their hat on, then Sanders' is going to win.

Florida is simply not necessary to win, especially if Texas is in play, which it increasingly looks like it could be.

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And if he or any of his co-ideologues cease to be Democrats after the 2020 election they should be barred from primary ballots for the subsequent electoral cycle.

No blue populism, thanks.

If you don't want the independents of America, have fun winning elections with your 30% of the electorate..

[Elegiac]

Biden's latest "gaffe" is quite disturbing imo. And the sad part is that he seems completely oblivious that he screwed up. Wow.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/joe-bi...-latest-gaffe/

You’ve indicated you’re voting for someone who hasn’t read a book in a quarter century.

Old people be forgetting things, and pots be calling kettles black.

[NineSpine]

I think this is probably the issue for some people.

It's only an issue for people already predisposed to disliking Sanders. It appeals to nobody else. It is a meaningless criticism, as it only comes from people who dislike him for completely different reasons and were never going to like him regardless.

[Elegiac]

It's only an issue for people already predisposed to disliking Sanders. It appeals to nobody else. It is a meaningless criticism, as it only comes from people who dislike him for completely different reasons and were never going to like him regardless.

Why is it you think I dislike Sanders, exactly. Like the specific reasons.

[NineSpine]

Why is it you think I dislike Sanders, exactly. Like the specific reasons.

You are boring me now. Bye.

[Fugus]

There would be no more space for third parties as long as you keep FPTP. However, those options would still mitigate the outsized influence of prairie states in the Electoral College.

Also, you keep misspelling @Fugus although he has been kind enough not to call you out on it.

I am used to it from the old WoW days. I don't get the mentions though when he does.

When I first learned to bear tank in TBC, I was called Fungus, Fagus, and Fuckus as I learned the rolls. Ended up a raid tank and one of the top ones on the server before I stopped, lol.

[Elegiac]

You are boring me now. Bye.

Oh look, another Sanders supporter that can’t grapple with the notion of a socialist that doesn’t like Bernie.

I’ve made my reasons for disliking him abundantly clear, not one of which has to do with his ideology or me being a secret centrist.

[Fugus]

And if he or any of his co-ideologues cease to be Democrats after the 2020 election they should be barred from primary ballots for the subsequent electoral cycle.

No blue populism, thanks.

At which point they are basically told to run 3rd party and take their voters and their donors with them. And the Republicans will thank you for giving advice that splits the vote and lets them win with candidates so shitty even Trump ends up looking like a gem by comparison.

[NineSpine]

Oh look, another Sanders supporter that can’t grapple with the notion of a socialist that doesn’t like Bernie.

I’ve made my reasons for disliking him abundantly clear, not one of which has to do with his ideology or me being a secret centrist.

That's nice. Never accused you of any of those things. I never said anything about ideology or centrism. This is why you are boring me.

[Elegiac]

That's nice. Never accused you of any of those things. I never said anything about ideology or centrism. This is why you are boring me.

If it’s not ideology, and it’s apparently not his fair weather allegiance, then why do people dislike Bernie?

You say people only claim X if they are already predisposed to disliking him. So what are the reasons for said predispositions?

Because I have a strong feeling the answer is some variant of “well they’re just bad people”.