Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[omerome]

Let me point out a few obvious thing this far out Hillary Clinton was going to beat Trump by a huge margin second Biden has zero shot at uniting the base. The infighting that will happen during the convention is going to divide and destroy the party. Biden's message of making sweet love to Lindsey Graham and singing koombaya is not going to resonate with progressives.

And this is what I don't get with him. Biden is really trying to work hard to reach across the aisle to the same people who want nothing more than to slap or clop off his hand. Graham in particular who was supposedly a good friend of his is nothing more than a lapdog to the person in the White House (who by the way he was a huge critic of at first) now; this is a man who has no morals. A man who will do whatever he can to say in power - even if it means making deals with the devil.

You can't work with these people. You need to do what you can to make them powerless. They need to get voted out. Biden's message of unity will divide people in a way that is different than what is happening right now. It will simply put people in a state of numbness. Which is not the healing this country needs. This country in my view is sick (figuratively and sadly, literally), and you don't treat it with just nice words. You treat with it something that can tackle the root cause.

[Vago]

2 senile men trying to debate would be funny, I can admit that.

Biden would lose badly in the debates; he doesn't even know where he is or which office he is running for most of the time. The debate wouldn't be funny, it would be sad. Don't worry, Joe, Super Thursday will be here soon enough

[Milchshake]

Let me point out a few obvious thing this far out Hillary Clinton was going to beat Trump by a huge margin second Biden has zero shot at uniting the base.

Biden is already uniting the base. The Democratic base is the church going ladies in South Carolina. It's the volunteers and pols that have always voted for their party. He's uniting other major Dems. He's done more in the past week than Bernie has done in 5 years.

Bernie and his supporters tend to be very narcissistic. They think it's all about them. They think they're the base.
Sorry, the base doent spend 5 years shitting on the party. The base doesnt call other Dems "secret republicans" constantly.
That's the GOP base's line of thinking. Ya that very paranoid and reactionary thinking.

Bernie and his reactionaries split off way back in '68. I think the Dems are mostly used to it.

[JohnBrown1917]

This thread gets worse every time I catch up with it. When the election is over, they should archive it and submit it for some kind of political research in how people will spend months and months just eating away at each other, creating conspiracy theories about how one side is out to get them, how random Europeans can be the most fervent supporters of foreign politicians, believing anything that might be a negative to someone they don't support and how, no matter what, their candidate of choice is never in the wrong. Let's also add in the fact that known trolls and right-wing supporters can so easily knock a conversation off course because people insist on replying to the most obvious bait for hours at a time.

No matter who says it, or how often they do so, America will never see the unity that people like to extol. You'd rather just tear each other down and then complain when you don't get what you want.

But hey, its "Super Tuesday" today, right? I look forward to the shitshow.

Who knew that people don't like to unite with people who push them down.

[Dacien]

Biden would lose badly in the debates; he doesn't even know where he is or which office he is running for most of the time. The debate wouldn't be funny, it would be sad. Don't worry, Joe, Super Thursday will be here soon enough

Biden is really bringing the fire lately. One of the benefits of a Biden presidency is four years of hilarious sound bites.

[JohnBrown1917]

And it's becoming more and more evident with each passing day.

Gonna be fun to try fans of both Trump and Biden try to make excuses for their favoured senile candidate.

[Bodakane]

And it's becoming more and more evident with each passing day.

As long as you also recognize that in Trump too.....

[Grapemask]

Bernie and his supporters tend to be very narcissistic. They think it's all about them. They think they're the base.

Surely just a little bit of self awareness sounded some alarms when you wrote this.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

huge victories today for Bernie and a hug loss for a DNC get prepared folks. #Bernie2020
we're taking america back from trump, the dnc, corporations, and the bias, corrupt MSM

[JohnBrown1917]

Who knew that people still took you seriously, Gilrak?

Who knew people still took those who favor pro-billionare libs seriously.
Why should politicions who constantly shit on the poor also expect those people to actually get excited about them?

[downnola]

Let me point out a few obvious thing this far out Hillary Clinton was going to beat Trump by a huge margin second Biden has zero shot at uniting the base. The infighting that will happen during the convention is going to divide and destroy the party. Biden's message of making sweet love to Lindsey Graham and singing koombaya is not going to resonate with progressives.

There were models that forecasted Hillary losing. The model I linked is based on a model that accurately forecasted the 2018 mid-term. I'm not guaranteeing it will hold up but I think the reasoning behind the model is solid and it's a pretty good starting point of where these candidates stand.

Sanders has no shot at "uniting" the base either. There's only so many times you can call someone an "establishment shill" and talk up Fidel Castro before people get sick of your shit. I like him and plan to vote for him, but his supporters have made many a democrat hostile to his campaign. They're not as forgiving as I am.

[JohnBrown1917]

There were models that forecasted Hillary losing. The model I linked is based on a model that accurately forecasted the 2018 mid-term. I'm not guaranteeing it will hold up but I think the reasoning behind the model is solid and it's a pretty good starting point of where these candidates stand.

Sanders has no shot at "uniting" the base either. There's only so many times you can call someone an "establishment shill" and talk up Fidel Castro before people get sick of your shit. I like him and plan to vote for him, but his supporters have made many a democrat hostile to his campaign. They're not as forgiving as I am.

Just like Obama did, you mean?

And the conservative dems have been just as terrible at uniting, if not worse. Why do they think constantly backing policies that fuck over anybody who is not rich is a good idea? How is not supporting M4A when the Corona outbreak is going on is a good idea?

[downnola]

And the conservative dems have been just as terrible at uniting, if not worse. Why do they think constantly backing policies that fuck over anybody who is not rich is a good idea? How is not supporting M4A when the Corona outbreak is going on is a good idea?

That is what the other poster said as well, which doesn't take away from the fact that many Sanders supporters claim they will sit the election out if Sanders doesn't win. It's not exactly an empty threat either, considering they did it the previous election for fucks sake. Now you want moderates to play ball if the roles are reversed and "unite" the party? Slacker said it best, ya'll are some straight-up narcissists.

[Grapemask]

Sanders has no shot at "uniting" the base either. There's only so many times you can call someone an "establishment shill" and talk up Fidel Castro before people get sick of your shit. I like him and plan to vote for him, but his supporters have made many a democrat hostile to his campaign. They're not as forgiving as I am.

But I think this is another example of a standard applied unevenly to Sanders and not his opponents. They haven't been kind to him or his base, either. Biden "jokingly" outright insults them on the campaign trail when questioned. It's why DNCchair-guy, whatever his name used to be, is such a great candidate for a Selfawarewolves: "Bernie's supporters are so toxic because they demand everyone accept their views! Why won't they just shut up and accept our views?"

It's really just a common tactic used against any group perceived to be in the lesser position of power. "It's okay for us to be critical, but all this criticizing that you're doing kind of makes you sound like a bitch."

[JohnBrown1917]

That is what the other poster said as well, which doesn't take away from the fact that many Sanders supporters claim they will sit the election out if Sanders doesn't win. It's not exactly an empty threat either, considering they did it the previous election for fucks sake. Now you want moderates to play ball if the roles are reversed and "unite" the party? Slacker said it best, ya'll are some straight-up narcissists.

And polls suggest they will, so tough shit, I suppose?


Does not really change my point that the lowermiddle class is not going to vote for the 'lesser' evil, conservatives/liberals don't understand they don't owe any votes just because they don't fuck the poor as hard as the far right.


On another note, you both clearly have no idea what narcissism is.

[downnola]

But I think this is another example of a standard applied unevenly to Sanders and not his opponents. They haven't been kind to him or his base, either. Biden "jokingly" outright insults them on the campaign trail when questioned. It's why DNCchair-guy, whatever his name used to be, is such a great candidate for a Selfawarewolves: "Bernie's supporters are so toxic because they demand everyone accept their views! Why won't they just shut up and accept our views?"

It's really just a common tactic used against any group perceived to be in the lesser position of power. "It's okay for us to be critical, but all this criticizing that you're doing kind of makes you sound like a bitch."

I don't disagree, but the fact that many of his supporters sat home, or worse voted for Trump, in 2016 doesn't help them. That's a far greater offense than pointing out (correctly I might add) that some of his supporters are toxic. It's a small minority, mind you, but they're insufferable and awful nonetheless.

[Thepersona]

I don't disagree, but the fact that many of his supporters sat home, or worse voted for Trump, in 2016 doesn't help them. That's a far greater offense than pointing out (correctly I might add) that some of his supporters are toxic. It's a small minority, mind you, but they're insufferable and awful nonetheless.

But again. They dont owe their votes to the establishment dems if they dont win. Biden has to reach out for them, taking policies from Sanders, and if possible making him or another progressive his VP, because "well you have to vote for us, or what. You're gonna vote for the orange cancer?" wont work

This game of attacking the progressives will blow up in the face of the establishment again, if they dont take any policy from them

[I Push Buttons]

But I think this is another example of a standard applied unevenly to Sanders and not his opponents. They haven't been kind to him or his base, either. Biden "jokingly" outright insults them on the campaign trail when questioned. It's why DNCchair-guy, whatever his name used to be, is such a great candidate for a Selfawarewolves: "Bernie's supporters are so toxic because they demand everyone accept their views! Why won't they just shut up and accept our views?"

It's really just a common tactic used against any group perceived to be in the lesser position of power. "It's okay for us to be critical, but all this criticizing that you're doing kind of makes you sound like a bitch."

Rather hilarious given who Bernie's cult constantly attacks (other than establishment Democrat candidates, that is).

The 2016 Democrat Electorate looked like this (based on polling/exit polling):

- ~33% non-college educated whites.
- ~28% non-college educated minorities.
- ~26% college educated whites.
- ~12% college educated minorities.

The single largest portion of Democrat voters (until the inevitable demographic shift occurs) is still uneducated whites, even now... You know, the people BernieBros spend every waking moment of their lives lambasting as evil, stupid, racist, Trump supporters who vote against their own interests.

[JohnBrown1917]

Rather hilarious given who Bernie's cult constantly attacks (other than establishment Democrat candidates, that is).

The 2016 Democrat Electorate looked like this (based on polling/exit polling):

- ~33% non-college educated whites.
- ~28% non-college educated minorities.
- ~26% college educated whites.
- ~12% college educated minorities.

The single largest portion of Democrat voters (until the inevitable demographic shift occurs) is still uneducated whites, even now... You know, the people BernieBros spend every waking moment of their lives lambasting as evil, stupid, racist, Trump supporters who vote against their own interests.

What sort of reality do you live in where this is the case?

[derpkitteh]

Citizens United was one of the worst court decisions of our times.

Also, Republicans are explicitly packing the courts so that they can overturn the gay marriage rulings.

So please, tell me how it's about common sense and decency.

my thinking on gay marriage has changed a bit over the years. i am bisexual myself, with a heavy preference for my own gender, but i kinda think the government shouldn't legalize or outlaw it. it should be left up to individual churches/whatever if they want to perform the ceremonies.

marriage itself should lose any government benefit, civil unions before a judge or sheriff should replace marriage in our government system. civil unions should be open to all for tax benefits, since it is non-religious. government's supposed to be separate from religion, so government should never make a ruling on a religious decision.