Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[DKjaigen]

fucking wrong, the dems problem is they spoke about such things in the realm of reality and legislation (boring) while Trump make big claims and promises, like bringing coal back (which even by trump standards is a complete failure).

The whole coal jobs is a perfect example, they coal miners knows its dying, they know every year less and less jobs. Dems talk about work programs and helping people transition, and the response is "omg coastal elite! screw you", while Trump "I'll bring coal back" and they cheer, as a record amount of coal companies go bankrupt. This same thing is played out in almost every subject and industry

Ah yes transitioning . pat yourself on the back while you are deluding yourself you are doing a good job not realising the damage you are doing.
But it doesnt matter , the Coronavirus has dealt the deathblow to global economy. And it will be left leaning coastal leftist that is going to suffer from it. But hey perhaps the fly over state can help you transition into your new job.

[cubby]

I didn't say anything about being better off with Trump. I think we'd be better off without both of them. You're just backpedaling with "but at least he's not Trump, that you don't get that is telling." We weren't at that stage then and we're not on it now, so it's pretty weak that you'd bring up that false dichotomy like it's a good point and try to weasel around the discussion like I'm arguing that Trump is the better option.

No, I'm specifically NOT backpedaling. And this is where we start to really call into question your interests here. I've repeatedly, and specifically, said that ALL of the DNC candidates this year were better than Trump. With Bloomberg as well as all the rest. That has been my ENTIRE point. Voting for an avocado with a (D) next to it would be better.

The fact that you're just learning this speaks volumes to your disingenuity to this discussion.

Nobody else has interjected in this discussion, so to just assume that we have an attentive audience that agrees with you is both delusional and pretentious.

Because the only way people can be involved in a forum discussion is by interjecting to every post. Holy fuck you're bad at this.

This is all wishful thinking on your part and doesn't address anything that I said. Biden needs to win in swing states and he needs to win over the districts that went red for Trump in 2016. The base is already energized to get rid of Trump, and unless Biden does something incredibly stupid in the following months, he will likely have the turnout he needs to win in most of those states. If you were after a "dynamic" ticket, you'd push for someone a little more progressive as VP. She doesn't get you anyone that wasn't going to vote for Biden anyway. Warren or Sanders, on the other hand, would.

This would be what we call a difference of opinion. Just remember, I knew more about Abrams that you did, so saying I'm not addressing anything doesn't really add up. And a black female from the south is almost automatically progressive, given the current political environment.

Her policies are irrelevant. This entire election is a referendum on Trump. The fact that you don't understand even that basic tenet is frighteningly naive.

No, they probably wouldn't win them, nor would they come close, which makes that argument a non-starter off the bat.

You are dangerously naive in this subject area. Making the GOP spend money to win an area they assume is won is a huge victory. And even you said "probably wouldn't win" - do you get that the "probably" is exactly the point - you are making my case for me.

I asked the question because I don't think highly enough of you to know without googling. You haven't made a single argument in favor of Abrams based on policy until this point. All you've given me thus far is symbolism and very little substance.

I know you don't - and given your obviously political naivety and lack of any sound argument (even contradicting yourself at one point) - it doesn't really matter. If your opinion of me is as factual as your statements above, no one here would really care what you thought of them, or me.

[Sorshen]

Ah yes, the 'abandon all principles' strat, become your enemy, etc. etc. Terrific strategy, we learned lots from 2016.

[Edge-]

Ah yes, the 'abandon all principles' strat, become your enemy, etc. etc. Terrific strategy, we learned lots from 2016.

What did we learn? That "going high" when they "go low" doesn't work very well? Or was there another lesson?

[beanman12345]

No brother. It is Dem or Broke. According to Biden fans here, if you do not vote for Senile Joe you are a Trumpster.

Don't look at it as voting for "senile Joe." Look at it as not giving Trump 4 more years to completely fuck the judiciary. That's what it's come down to for me. You don't have to like either one, I certainly don't, but I'm voting for Joe because of this 1 important issue. That's entirely what it came down to for me in 2016. I HATE the Clintons, never voted for her sleezeball husband, only voted for her because I don't want more Kavanaugh's.

[Edge-]

Look at it as not giving Trump 4 more years to completely fuck the judiciary.

Pretty much this. Trump likely won in part off the backs of folks who weren't thrilled to vote for him but did so because of lifetime federal judicial appointments.

I'm still not going to be remotely excited at voting for Biden. I had hoped it wouldn't come to this before he even threw his hat in the ring and I'm sad this is the final outcome, but it is what it is. I'm not going to take my toys and go home though, I'll do what little I can to prevent getting thunderfucked over 8 years of Trump. And if someone wants to primary Biden in 2024 and they're not garbage, I'll throw behind them for the next election.

[Stormspark]

If Biden or whoever it ends up being doesn't win, there won't be another election.

[Jehct]

If Biden or whoever it ends up being doesn't win, there won't be another election.

I thought conspiracy theories weren't allowed on this forum?

[Orange Joe]

I thought conspiracy theories weren't allowed on this forum?

[Lenonis]

So we'd be getting more pro-corporate judges?

Just stop. Stop pretending Trump and Biden are the same. Stop pretending a moderate leftist judge is the same as a far right ideologue. Stop living in ignorance.

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I'm not interested in a lecture from someone on the right about what Dems should or shouldn't do.

[Jehct]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8UH3Gdmx8I

Go to time 8:35 and watch for a minute.

If this ramble isn't evidence of some form of dementia then I don't know what is.

[shimerra]

Ah yes, the 'abandon all principles' strat, become your enemy, etc. etc. Terrific strategy, we learned lots from 2016.

Bernie sure didn't. He ran a shit campaign twice and lost to two of the worst candidates ever going by his supporters estimation.

[downnola]

No, I'm specifically NOT backpedaling. And this is where we start to really call into question your interests here. I've repeatedly, and specifically, said that ALL of the DNC candidates this year were better than Trump. With Bloomberg as well as all the rest. That has been my ENTIRE point. Voting for an avocado with a (D) next to it would be better.

The fact that you're just learning this speaks volumes to your disingenuity to this discussion.

What is my interest here? You keep rambling on about it and accusing me of some ulterior motive, so let's hear what that motive is. Put your money where your mouth is and just say it already. You've already accused me of being a Trump supporter once in the past so go ahead and do it again. I'll tell you now like I did then that you're free to go through my post history and prove it. It's fucking pathetic that you lot can't have a disagreement with someone without going full paranoid and accusing them of backhanded motives. You have brainworms from spending all of your time in the Trump threads.

Because the only way people can be involved in a forum discussion is by interjecting to every post. Holy fuck you're bad at this.

Bad at going along with your delusions? This is childish, dude. You're acting like you have a squad here disagreeing with me when it's just you. Grow up for fucks sake.

This would be what we call a difference of opinion.

You have nothing to base your opinion on other than wishful thinking and that has been my point the entire time. What's worse is that your opinion is based on completely superficial and patronizing reasons as you go on to woefully demonstrate in the following quote:

Just remember, I knew more about Abrams that you did, so saying I'm not addressing anything doesn't really add up. And a black female from the south is almost automatically progressive, given the current political environment.

Almost automatically progressive based solely on the color of one's gender and skin color. Man, you don't think highly of people do you?

Her policies are irrelevant. This entire election is a referendum on Trump. The fact that you don't understand even that basic tenet is frighteningly naive.

You are dangerously naive in this subject area. Making the GOP spend money to win an area they assume is won is a huge victory. And even you said "probably wouldn't win" - do you get that the "probably" is exactly the point - you are making my case for me.

I know you don't - and given your obviously political naivety and lack of any sound argument (even contradicting yourself at one point) - it doesn't really matter. If your opinion of me is as factual as your statements above, no one here would really care what you thought of them, or me.

You're not Skroe, bud. Stop trying to emulate him and get your own shtick.

I said it wouldn't be close and picking Abrams just to get the GOP to spend money in Georgia is stupid. You need Florida and the rust belt. Nothing else matters. You can accuse of me of being naive all you want but your strategy ignores the nature of the electoral college. Picking Abrams (for the reason you think it's a good idea, anyways) might excite Huffington Post readers but it does fuckall to push Biden over the edge in Michigan or Ohio.

[Ivanstone]

If this ramble isn't evidence of some form of dementia then I don't know what is.

A centre-right politician with dementia that will listen his advisors, nominate reasonable judges and fill the bureaucracy with competent people is better than a racist lunatic with dementia who runs a pretty corrupt government.

Remember Trump only looks like he's holding it together because of the steady stream of crushed Adderal being crammed up his nose. His brain is still mush and wasn't much good even when it wasn't.

[Stormspellz]

Ah yes transitioning . pat yourself on the back while you are deluding yourself you are doing a good job not realising the damage you are doing.
But it doesnt matter , the Coronavirus has dealt the deathblow to global economy. And it will be left leaning coastal leftist that is going to suffer from it. But hey perhaps the fly over state can help you transition into your new job.

ah yes the "damage" of, hey that job/industry will no longer exist in 5-10 years. here is how we will help and your family, and oh btw when the company screws you on pensions we will be the ones to look out for with actual substance not empty promises like republicans (yet again)

[breadisfunny]

I mean even if the Dems can flip the Senate and win the White House, a conservative SCOTUS would overturn it. I'm saying even if we won the battle, we'd lose the war.

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I was, and would still - but it's adorable you avoided the entire issue and went sideways. Please, keep it up - we're all loving it.

Shout if you want to get back to your ridiculous and completely disconnected idea of AOC being the VP choice.

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Oh, look - it's someone who doesn't understand United States politics or political structure. But sure, keep going about what again?

You are morally obligated to vote your conscience. If you think Trump will help your personal platform, but all means, don't vote in November. But please don't pretend that backing Sanders and then not voting for Biden maintains the same political points of view. Even you aren't that naive, right?

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Since Biden is the presumptive nominee, that statement is entirely correct. I'm surprised you actually got something right.

i am morally obligated to vote for whoever the hell i want to. just try and stop me. seriously you all need to piss off with this vote biden or else nonsense. you know who else wants you to vote for one party or else. trump. that's who you lot are starting to come off as. the gop.

[Stormspellz]

A centre-right politician with dementia that will listen his advisors, nominate reasonable judges and fill the bureaucracy with competent people is better than a racist lunatic with dementia who runs a pretty corrupt government.

Remember Trump only looks like he's holding it together because of the steady stream of crushed Adderal being crammed up his nose. His brain is still mush and wasn't much good even when it wasn't.

in short senile joe > senile lying corrupt "grab em by the pussy" trump

[cubby]

What is my interest here? You keep rambling on about it and accusing me of some ulterior motive, so let's hear what that motive is. Put your money where your mouth is and just say it already. You've already accused me of being a Trump supporter once in the past so go ahead and do it again. I'll tell you now like I did then that you're free to go through my post history and prove it. It's fucking pathetic that you lot can't have a disagreement with someone without going full paranoid and accusing them of backhanded motives. You have brainworms from spending all of your time in the Trump threads.

Bad at going along with your delusions? This is childish, dude. You're acting like you have a squad here disagreeing with me when it's just you. Grow up for fucks sake.

You have nothing to base your opinion on other than wishful thinking and that has been my point the entire time. What's worse is that your opinion is based on completely superficial and patronizing reasons as you go on to woefully demonstrate in the following quote:

Almost automatically progressive based solely on the color of one's gender and skin color. Man, you don't think highly of people do you?

You're not Skroe, bud. Stop trying to emulate him and get your own shtick.

I said it wouldn't be close and picking Abrams just to get the GOP to spend money in Georgia is stupid. You need Florida and the rust belt. Nothing else matters. You can accuse of me of being naive all you want but your strategy ignores the nature of the electoral college. Picking Abrams (for the reason you think it's a good idea, anyways) might excite Huffington Post readers but it does fuckall to push Biden over the edge in Michigan or Ohio.

It's a shame that you seem incapable of having a real conversation about this topic. Perhaps you can read up a little more about election strategy and the merits of picking VP candidates, and we can revisit the topic when you're better informed.

Three quick things, just in case you're curious about your dangerously incompetent opinions:

1. two or more people can have the same opinion; it's not shtick, it's agreement after discourse.
2. You can't even remember what you post - you said what I quoted, you bolding it later in some sophomoric attempt to alter history is just silly. Why would you try to lie about what you said? I quoted you. Just more proof of your dangerous incompetence.
3. You've ignored most of what I've offered as reasons, and just continue with ad hominem attacks; that's fine, but it's tiring and a bit boring - especially considering how bad you are at all of this.

But I can't, in good conscious, continue a conversation with someone who is not only dangerously naive, but can't see the facts as they are laid out before him. Reading through the above it's clear you have a lot to learn about even the basics of politics and political strategy.

I meant to ask you, but of course it doesn't matter anymore, who would you pick for Biden's VP?

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i am morally obligated to vote for whoever the hell i want to. just try and stop me. seriously you all need to piss off with this vote biden or else nonsense. you know who else wants you to vote for one party or else. trump. that's who you lot are starting to come off as. the gop.

I...can't stop you. I'm not sure you understood my point. You can vote for whomever you want - ultimately you answer to your own conscience. And you also seem to miss my point. It's not vote for Biden or else. It's vote for Biden or Trump wins.

Doesn't get any simpler than that.

[Theodarzna]

in short senile joe > senile lying corrupt "grab em by the pussy" trump

The guy refereed to as the Senator from MBNA, who let the Credit Card companies write the Bankruptcy bill and who has the Tara Reade accusation over his head can't exactly claim to for sure not be corrupt or a rapist.

[breadisfunny]

It doesn't make you a Trumpster but it does help support Trump in the election.

your either with us or against us is the political mantra of 12 yr olds. and president george w bush.