Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Orbitus]

How many farmers are getting welfare from trump right now?

Get out of here with your bullshit.

They got more with the Coronavirus relief bill.

[Lenonis]

Warren before she started stumbling.

So...no one then.

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Or, you know, Sanders, you could pick Sanders.

Maybe you shouldn't level a criticism of "hey, put up someone who Sanders' supporters would like" when the only person is Sanders. And the voters rejected Sanders...so....now what?

Lets not kid ourselves with such jokes.

Good point. I'll stop responding to you.

[Kaleredar]

Remember when setting the US on the right foot was removing the little less right George W Bush (than Trump) from the WH?

No.

Funny how he we are in a worse situation after all that, because the Dems keep putting up more right leaning candidates.

Like Obama?

[Fincayra]

got into a big debate with my dad today about what the democrats were going to do about the rest of their primary season. He can't seem to understand we live in a democratic republic, and that the other side needs a fair shot at putting up a viable candidate. I'm not the biggest fan of anyone who's gonna be on the ballot come november (if that even happens, inb4 it's "unsafe" to hold the election), but they still deserve to finish their primary season.

[Themius]

People talk about Biden declining faculties and how trump will crush him.

Remember that time Trump asked where's Rudy when Rudy was sitting DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF HIM facing him at a table and he looks around and then grabs the guy's arm next to him THAT IS NOT RUDY after looking directly at Rudy



25 seconds to 37 seconds.

What about that time he was leaving and thanking people but didn't actually sign shit and had to be told he needs to.



Or this other time:

[Sunseeker]

Most people I assume are ignorantly unaware they are playing right into the republican strategy, like the burner account here.

Yes.

/10elections

[Themius]

Another point on sexism I want to make about this. Biden has a penis, by virtue of having a penis every argument he makes will have more merit. When he embarrasses Trump, it will mean something.

Hillary's unfortunate downfall in the debate was... she had a vagina...

If people think this is akin to 2016 and Hillary all over... nope they're in for an upset.

[Bodakane]

It's almost as if anyone with a different opinion than yours is the "problem". What's that saying? When you think everyone around you is an asshole...maybe you are the asshole? I think this applies here.

Also, NO REFUNDS BERNIE BROS. HAHAHAHAHA

Do you realize you just did what you accused me of? No probably not.

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No.

Were you not of age then?

Like Obama?

Obama is closer to 80's era Republican than he is liberal.

[Draco-Onis]

Like Obama?

Obama only pretended to be progressive when he was running, he was right wing as soon as he got into office. He kept the Bush tax cuts, protected Wall Street, instituted a market solution to health care, supported the wars even the failing ones like Afghanistan. I mean if it wasn't for social issues you wouldn't know he was a democrat. We are stuck in this weird democrats are the alliance and republicans are horde. When republicans are in power they put the foot on the gas look at what they are going for under Trump (destroy all government agencies, rules, repeal Roe V. Wade (no exception for rape)) while democrats pick a candidate that wants to go back to the center right.

[Kaleredar]

Obama only pretended to be progressive when he was running, he was right wing as soon as he got into office. He kept the Bush tax cuts, protected Wall Street, instituted a market solution to health care, supported the wars even the failing ones like Afghanistan. I mean if it wasn't for social issues you wouldn't know he was a democrat. We are stuck in this weird democrats are the alliance and republicans are horde. When republicans are in power they put the foot on the gas look at what they are going for under Trump (destroy all government agencies, rules, repeal Roe V. Wade (no exception for rape)) while democrats pick a candidate that wants to go back to the center right.

Mkay, so if Romney or Mccain had won (the only two other options) then we'd have been in a... more progressive society? What?


You're really burying the lede, here. The options were not, and are not, "A democrat or a republican or a third candidate."

It's "a democrat or a republican." If you're a progressive... you vote for the most progressive candidate.


You can gnash and rave at the system all you want, but that's the way it is. And you don't change it by having zero political power because you intentionally didn't vote.

[gobio]

Obama only pretended to be progressive when he was running, he was right wing as soon as he got into office. He kept the Bush tax cuts, protected Wall Street, instituted a market solution to health care, supported the wars even the failing ones like Afghanistan. I mean if it wasn't for social issues you wouldn't know he was a democrat. We are stuck in this weird democrats are the alliance and republicans are horde. When republicans are in power they put the foot on the gas look at what they are going for under Trump (destroy all government agencies, rules, repeal Roe V. Wade (no exception for rape)) while democrats pick a candidate that wants to go back to the center right.

Obama being a black man himself is progressive. Being the first black male president of the united state himself IS progressive.
identity is very important for progressive. I am not here to blame what a black person failed to do under a white patriarchy, that would be racist!

[PickleballAce]

ChapoTrapHouse is fantastic schadenfreude right now. Not that you'd expect a bunch of NEETs and manchildren to take it well.

[Kaleredar]

Were you not of age then?

The amount of animosity and scorn levied at Bush was nowhere near the level of trump.

Nor is Trump "just another ol' politician" whom we can idly tow the line on while we wait for prince charming to show up and take us all to the progressive ball.

Obama is closer to 80's era Republican than he is liberal.

I don't care what the "well actually when you compare Obama to the chart of all global politicians..." truism says. I'm talking about the caliber of him as a progressive compared to other American presidents.

Because that's the only metric that actually matters in the end.


I really don't know where you're getting this idea that, by huffing and stuffing and being pouty, but never voting and poo-pooing anything but politicians that kow-tow to your every whim, that society is somehow magically going to start changing in a way you want it to. Tell me, how has that worked thus far?

[eschatological]

Obama only pretended to be progressive when he was running, he was right wing as soon as he got into office. He kept the Bush tax cuts, protected Wall Street, instituted a market solution to health care, supported the wars even the failing ones like Afghanistan. I mean if it wasn't for social issues you wouldn't know he was a democrat. We are stuck in this weird democrats are the alliance and republicans are horde. When republicans are in power they put the foot on the gas look at what they are going for under Trump (destroy all government agencies, rules, repeal Roe V. Wade (no exception for rape)) while democrats pick a candidate that wants to go back to the center right.

No, he was actually progressive, and still believes in progressive idea, and then spent 2 years with a Dem Congress trying to reach out to Republicans to bring them along......and then spent 6 years having them obfuscate everything. I don't even know if you remember that he started on in universal health care at single payer. And Republicans shut down the government.

His major area of conservativism was on foreign policy, with his drone strike policy. American foreign pollicy has been backwards for a good 50 years under both Dems and Republicans.

[Milchshake]

No, he was actually progressive, and still believes in progressive idea, and then spent 2 years with a Dem Congress trying to reach out to Republicans to bring them along......and then spent 6 years having them obfuscate everything. I don't even know if you remember that he started on in universal health care at single payer. And Republicans shut down the government.

His major area of conservativism was on foreign policy, with his drone strike policy. American foreign pollicy has been backwards for a good 50 years under both Dems and Republicans.

I mean Obama oversaw the largest downward redistribution of wealth since LBJ. These cosplaying socialist delitantes trying to recast Obama as some Thatcherite is about the dumbest thing i've seen.

Hillary's 2016 platform was even more progressive.

Biden's 2020 platform is the most progressive yet. A full public option!
It one-ups FDR by including minorities!
It one-ups LBJ by including LGBT folk!

[Rennadrel]

Obama only pretended to be progressive when he was running, he was right wing as soon as he got into office. He kept the Bush tax cuts, protected Wall Street, instituted a market solution to health care, supported the wars even the failing ones like Afghanistan. I mean if it wasn't for social issues you wouldn't know he was a democrat. We are stuck in this weird democrats are the alliance and republicans are horde. When republicans are in power they put the foot on the gas look at what they are going for under Trump (destroy all government agencies, rules, repeal Roe V. Wade (no exception for rape)) while democrats pick a candidate that wants to go back to the center right.

It's funny that, at the very least, social media would have you believe that Democrat voters are all progressive leftists. I don't think a lot of countries have actual left wing parties. Even up here the Liberal Party of Canada is at most, a centre-left party. They've had some actual left wing policies but they actually are more centre than leftist. Meanwhile the Conservatives here are clearly on the right.

[Kaleredar]

I mean Obama oversaw the largest downward redistribution of wealth since LBJ. These cosplaying socialist delitantes trying to recast Obama as some Thatcherite is about the dumbest thing i've seen.

Hillary's 2016 platform was even more progressive.

Biden's 2020 platform is the most progressive yet. A full public option!
It one-ups FDR by including minorities!
It one-ups LBJ by including LGBT folk!

They're trying to recast the democratic party as "traitors to the progressive cause."

While I'm sure a good number of them are just bitter that Bernie didn't win the nomination, I also think there's a good deal of people just doing it to intentionally sow discord in the democratic party and inspire low turnout to aid Trump's victory.

[I Push Buttons]

ChapoTrapHouse is fantastic schadenfreude right now. Not that you'd expect a bunch of NEETs and manchildren to take it well.

None of them are taking it well, even at the very top.

Here is Comrade Sanders' press secretary after she lost her job today:

[Foosha]

None of them are taking it well, even at the very top.

Here is Comrade Sanders' press secretary after she lost her job today:

No refunds! It's these idiots that doomed Bernie to begin with. The independents and moderates look at these crazies and think HELL NAW and go elsewhere. It won Donald the presidency. They are like the modern day KKK, except some on the left embrace them which damages them even more. I bet Biden is hoping these fanatics dont support him lol

[Egomaniac]

It's funny that, at the very least, social media would have you believe that Democrat voters are all progressive leftists. I don't think a lot of countries have actual left wing parties. Even up here the Liberal Party of Canada is at most, a centre-left party. They've had some actual left wing policies but they actually are more centre than leftist. Meanwhile the Conservatives here are clearly on the right.

Up here in Canada we also have the NDP...which is a left wing party.