Is it true the SEIU is going to spend $150 million to help defeat Trump? That's a lot of money.
No, we can't. It's actually an extremely valid point, one of which most of you are ignoring. The bolded part of your comment demonstrates that.
Calling candidates names from GOP talking points hurts the entire DNC. Which is separate/different than valid criticism of a candidate.
You can refer back to Edge and I discussion to see some salient points. I'm happy to elaborate.
THE PRIOR POLLS VS THE RESULTS!
Fuck, man - You fucking do it yourself you Damn Judas! Show me where an Iowa poll had Biden in FOURTH place prior to the caucus!! We TALKED About this! We discussed this!!! We had a civil conversation on how Biden/Bernie was polling neck-n-neck in Iowa and then BLAM, he was in FOURTH place post-results!! It was literally the main topic of news broadcasts and the surprising results! We ALL talked about it on the forums here!
Are you claiming all those polls were fabricated/fictional and everybody just made it all up!?!
EDIT: since you're turning into an insuferable Sea Lion - here's one easily found poll on Feb 3 that had Biden in a clear 2nd place by only a couple points difference from Bernie.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...s-winner-polls
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13% of registered Democrats in FL is pretty bad.
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No - my position on this point has remained the same, throughout your thorough and embarrassing misunderstanding, time and again, during this conversation. But I can that an adult conversation with you is no long possible. Asking about aneurysm's and other such mental issues makes me not really interested in taking your ideas seriously any more. Let me know if you'd like to continue later.
I've said it before, but any leftwinger or anti-Trumper that votes Bloomberg may as well put on the MAGA hat. They're not actually mad about Trump's values. They're mad that he's so rude when he expresses them. Anyone else I could get behind with varying degrees of displeasure, and maybe need a little bit of coaxing into as we approach the Buttigieg end of the spectrum, but Bloomberg is the sick joke played on democrats just to test if liberals really are any of the things they claim or if they're the same lying tribalists that conservatives appeared to be after their own 2016 fiasco. It's almost poetic. You couldn't write better fiction.Originally Posted by Endus
I think quite a few people here though have mentioned this thing that Bernie Sanders voters won't commit to voting for anyone else if their guy loses, while others will vote for Bernie Sanders if he wins. I think that's a bit of a false equivalency that shows that non-Sanders folks just don't get what Sanders' crowd is about.
Folks for the moderates don't need anything Sanders is offering. Nearly all of them will be fine even if Trump wins. They'll have more ideological issues to complain about, but their lives fundamentally will go unchanged. They're making choices based on their conscience, or I suspect largely their team.
But Sanders supporters are people who want better healthcare. They want debt relief. They want better working benefits. They're generally the result of 20 years of increasing economic anxiety and massively widening wealth inequality. They could be wrong about the things they feel are the issues, maybe Sanders' solutions aren't good ways of fixing them, most likely he can't even enact most of what he promises - but the key is that he's recognizing the problem they're facing and he's offering solutions, while other candidates are offering them amenities to keep them happy in their suffering but not alleviating it. Sanders wants to demolish the healthcare system that's kept some of them from getting any treatment at all for the last 10 years even though they have insurance. Buttigieg wants to protect it, with some concessions that might make their pain a little easier to swallow but still painful all the same.
For Sanders supporters, voting blue no matter who seems like rewarding your jailers for giving you an extra meal while still remaining in jail. Sure, maybe the guy on the other team will give them shittier meals or no meals at all, but it's all just more shit in the endless parade of shit they already deal with. They want out.
Dave Chapelle said something to that effect on the SNL episode after Trump won. He was disappointed, but he felt Trump winning wasn't as bad as others made it out to be, because it wasn't like blacks hadn't already been living under regimes of racists for the entirety of modern civilization. Same shit different day.
Right - do you have the data for that point. "Damned Judas" - maybe it's time for a break for you?
I'm asking you if you have data, which wasn't in our PM discussion, to back what you're saying. I'm just asking you to back your idea/claim.
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You may or may not be correct. But, we ALL want Trump out, and that is @Endus's point. We need to vote Trump out, first, and then move on.
Updated my post - but a Sea Lion like you couldn't be bothered to see it so I'll respond again.
POST: Since you're turning into an insuferable Sea Lion - here's one easily found poll on Feb 3 that had Biden in a clear 2nd place by only a couple points difference from Bernie.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...s-winner-polls[/QUOTE]
Unbelievable that I'm responding with the data debunking something we discussed and agreed on civilly not 2 weeks ago. Fucking christ...
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Good god, even your last sentence practically mirrors the final pannel from the Sea Lion comic. >_<
“Bernie is the only viable candidate and the data supports it!”
“What data.”
“Stop arguing in bad faith, Judas!”
Remind me how Sanders’ cult of personality is different from the current red one?
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Better still, I'm throwing you on Ignore like your bedfellow Elgefcukwhatever.
Unbelievable that you would lie about something we both agreed on publicly, than go on to sea lion me. What the hell happened to you, man. >_<
EDIT: On second thought, I won't. There will be need to help point out your hypocricy
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Hey, that person you quoted says he wont vote in the election if Bernie is the nominee. Would be nice if you actually said something to him about it, but you won't - because he agrees with you and validates your hypocrisy.
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The other funny thing is that a lot of the pro-Bernie freakouts on this forum aren't even like...American citizens. They're left wing Europeans.
Now, conservatives like to say how different American politics is as justification for why X social program can't work - they're not incorrect, but the difference isn't one of administration - it's one of the nature of demographic animus. European politics has a significant difference in that racial and other minority issues never crystallized under a left wing (yes I know the Democrats aren't left wing but they're the left of the two parties) the way they did in the United States. European leftism is traditionally and still largely is solely defined by economic issues. Sound familiar?
Which is why, strangely, you can have an ostensibly left wing party that still has severe problems with antisemitism or race relations.
I'm not going to shit on how the internet has enabled people to compare and contrast their civic conditions with those of other countries, because it's a net good thing. I will point out, however, that a side effect of the importation of European style leftism seems to be dragging some of that baggage with it - which you can see in the repeated mention that "identity politics" is a hindrance to the progressive agenda.
Where this crosses the border into toxicity is what particular set of lessons someone happened to internalise after 2016. Because for a whole lot of people it seems to be "Fine! I'll build my own Trump; with blackjack, and hookers."
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This is a lie.
I said there were conditions for my support of Bernie. Not that I wouldn't vote for him.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
https://apnews.com/8450292b687cefcaa7ab58037bcc1a46
Someone is spoofing Sanders campaign domains and reaching out to other campaigns pretending to be a part of the Sanders camp. The domain is registered in Russia, but that's not conclusive proof that's where this attempt came from.
Well because not agreeing with M4A is stupid. Every nation can do it but us?
Every other nation can pay FAR LESS than us GDP wise, but we should be content with paying more than every other nation with universal healthcare, and not covering everyone leading to cancer patients choosing to die as to not burden their loved ones.
This cartoon sums up the wannabe centrists and moderates.