Just to point out, you literally framed my entire point within your own message.
WoD pruning was a foundation laid out for the auxiliary progression systems, but didn't yet have them. WoD didn't have half the class buried beneath a ton of arbitrary bullshit and it still had a more complete kit than any subsequent expansion following it.
Secondly, "we still haven't recovered, yeah no shit we haven't because it's the path Blizzard is taking from now on. But that also doesn't take away from the point that we lost more in Legion and BfA than we did in WoD.
Thus, class design was superior to Legion and BfA.
I'm also not even fucking sure why you're trying to twist my posts into saying that WoD design was anywhere near to being good, it was just BETTER than both Legion and BfA.
I think you'd do better at argumenting your points if you didn't resort to every fallacy under the sun just because you're apparently butthurt and/or willfully obtuse.
This is a good post, as I've never said that WoD design was good, it was just better than the following two expansions.
Back in WoD I atleast had a fair few specs I truly enjoyed playing, and now I've actually unsubbed for the first time in forever as I couldn't find a single spec that I enjoyed playing in BfA.
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Thats bullshit. Enhancement artifact skill was essential to the spec. Havocs was essential, bursty and fun. Fire mages was essential (but got baked into talents in legion). Rets was essential for burst and made the spec flow better. It got baked too intlo the spec.
Second pet for bm was very fun and unique.
And theres for sure more..
Benthic gear
Demon Hunter PvP
Azerite Essenses
Demon Hunter AoE in Mythic Dungeons
All things i love.
The ONE and only thing i hate is the 50% nerf to all azerite traits in PvP.
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
Your name is literally Kekels so I know you here on some straight bullshit.
Also the class designs in this expansion turned hunter and shamans into noodle armed bitches.
You really don't get the point I'm making here, do you?
The auxiliary progression systems are not that impactful. WoD had more pruning on a number of classes, despite your later claim, so minor pruning and un-impactful auxiliary systems aren't enough to differentiate WoD from the latter two.
Think about it this way, if we're plotting class design on a graph, WoD's not that far away from both Legion and BfA.
Again, the "arbitrary bullshit" is not nearly as impactful as you're claiming it is. I dislike these systems too, but they simply do not have the effect on class kits and cores that you're claiming.WoD didn't have half the class buried beneath a ton of arbitrary bullshit
And yet those kits were woefully incomplete in comparison to other expansions. Again, WoD is much closer to Legion/BfA than any other expansion.it still had a more complete kit than any subsequent expansion following it.
Why don't you simmer down for a moment and re-read my post, big guy. I never claimed that you said "WoD design was anywhere near being good," I specifically used "okay" in quotes, since that's how you described it. I used your exact words because I knew you'd throw a hissy fit if I said anything else.Thus, class design was superior to Legion and BfA.
I'm also not even fucking sure why you're trying to twist my posts into saying that WoD design was anywhere near to being good, it was just BETTER than both Legion and BfA.
And with that out of the way, you're still missing the core point of my argument which is that the same ideas which have made Legion and BfA classes suck were mostly present during WoD.
Please list the fallacies I've used. I'm 100% serious, go quote my responses and apply labels to them. If you can't do that, try getting off from Reddit for five seconds and realize that screaming "fallacy" during a profanity-laced tirade doesn't substitute having an actual argument.I think you'd do better at argumenting your points if you didn't resort to every fallacy under the sun just because you're apparently butthurt and/or willfully obtuse.
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I disagree on story and class design.
Sure bud, you are the voice of majority, how come blizzard decided otherwise? Surely because they don't give a fuq and don't look at statistics
Mop had complaints about tanks dealing horrendous amount of damage, such as BDK being able to solo 10 players.
Affli lock being able to pull insane dps with multitarget situations
BM hunter being able to delete someone from arena with one button.
Unlimited mobility casters.
And TONS of other issues.
Devs addmited only that removing shared spells from classes was mistake, and don't think they are going back to that garbage that was before, they are most likely only add some shared spells back with slight tweak.
@kaminaris
Are you still trying to pretend that the complaints during MoP were equal to the complaints we've seen since WoD? Very tired routine, and completely divorced from reality.
Enjoy the current, garbage classes. I hope for your sake that you're right and 9.0 doesn't make them too complex. It'd be awful to strain that good memory of yours.
That was one shitstorm. Legion besides camera changes had unlimited epic shitstorms about: Swapping specs, Legendary system acquision, Legendary softcap.
Valor points? You sure you remember that correctly? Cause I don't think so.
There was a weekly cap of 3k
Scenario + dungeon daily gave you 200.
Each subsequent scenario run gave you 70. - which was fast.
Sure people complained about it but it was nowhere near as grindfest as legendaries. Nor I don't remember any shitstorm about it of that magnitude.
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I don't try to do anything I remember things how they were without rose-tinted glasses like you have. It is you who needs to look at reality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUoEk3KJMK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50o5LfxJtlA
THIS was garbage class design. Everything was mess.
That was exactly what I was saying. MoP had people quite severely complaining about the valor grind and reputation gated items, so much that the devs changed it, tbh I can't exactly remember, but it was something with the Golden Lotus rep etc...
And yes, compared to the Legion grind the MoP grind was a joke. I don't think players back in MoP would have swallowed the Legion grind..., and yes, Legion with AP and Artifacts was horrible, I agree.
Looks at post count. Rolls eyes.
1/10
Scheduled weekly maintenance caught me by surprise.
So your argument is that because people cheesed fights, and Aff was overtuned for multidotting, the complaints about MoP's class mechanics were equal to the complaints about class mechanics from WoD onward?
Why don't you go look at an action bar from WoD, Legion or BfA and tell me that MoP is worse than that.
The only good thing they did was letting us play Zandalari, and overall Zandalari content. But as a die hard troll fan I gotta say that they still kipped a lot of stuff that was defining Zandalari and which was ignored in the leveling content, because they had to add asspull blood trolls to waste time on.
I miss Mists of Pandaria