Well she uses the dagger to absorb Nzoth's power and bring the shadowlands with her, which we kill him inside her body, but in the end the Black empire rises again and we are saved by Azeroth herself, and sylvanas is now stuck in the shadowlands because we also discover that Elune is in cahoot with the Death entity, factions dissolve due to it, and void its now fucking shit up in azeroth.
Even if Sylvanas helped us against N'zoth, that doesn't excuse that this war is entirely on her.
Every person she got killed on both sides is one person less to defend Azeroth.
Your theory assumes that Sylvanas somehow has the knowledge AND capacity of absoring an Old God and an entire plane of Existence that is governed by people more powerful than her (Bwonsamdi, The Lich King, Helya, Mueh'zala).
And even if she did... after all the crap she pulled, why would anyone besides Nathanos want to save her?
If we need someone to guide us into the Shadowlands for whatever reason, it's Vol'jin who is actually involved in it.
Global Warming is something that should be addressed. But you don't have a leader going to war to capitalize on its effects against another nation that has agreed to help out the planet after it was invaded by aliens.
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This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.
Yeah right. Maybe next time we should just try to assassinate the leader of the alliance. And bomb his ship and army when we are in some kind of peace trying to fight a world ending threat like the legion.
It seems that's not really important. And they won't take a grudge on it.
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Ho right. I forgot about how lorthemar Bob was completely retarded back then. Let me rephrase the situation.
-hey the horde has to go against arthas. He just attacked us all, is a world ending menace and bloodelves really don't like him. Also, Warchief orders
-Nah I don't want
-you'll go and help or I let you rote here alone.
-whyyyyyyy are you doing this to meeee ? I just want to be protected by the horde! I don't want to help! You are so meaaaan.
Bob was the piece of shit back then. Not Sylvanas.
Qiraji was mostly the cenarion circle along with the bronze, players were voluntaries, no factions really involved besides Saurfang and Staghelm serving as field marshalls to keep order.
Naxx40 was the Argent Dawn, no Alliance and Horde
Illidan was Shattrath and the Shattered sun
Malygos was the Kirin Tor
Arthas was The Argent Crusade and the Knights of the Ebon blade
Deathwing was Green Jesus, who left the Horde by this time.
The Iron Horde was "Khadgar and the Sunshine band of AU Draenei"
the only AvH influenced conflict was the Siege of Orgrimmar and most of BfA until 8.2.
I felt he had a point. The Sin'dorei had lost somewhere around 90% of their people in the Third War, and had just come away from a brutal civil war due to Kael's betrayal to the Legion in which they were forced to kill their former head of state and lost even more of their populace to becoming Felblood or Fel Wretched due to the Legion's corruption. They weren't in any shape to be the vanguard in yet another war right on the heels of that but Sylvanas would have it no other way.
YMMV, of course.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Uh, maybe it is just me but why would factions dissolve?
Did suddenly history and conflicts get erased from the surface?
Even if the black empire rises then the most logical road would be that both factions shift their main focus to beat them but peacecraft is really not something that would make any sense just because a third player shows up to rival the Horde and Alliance in world domination.
And orcs were a few of non corrupted orcs Who managed to escape the camps, flee to another land to fight the legion and themselves. Taurens were hunted down by centaurs and fought the legion. Trolls were hunted down by humans and fought the legion. Forsaken were the smallest army you could imagine of guys Who managed to escape the lichking influance, and had to fight the legion, undeads, humains... All these people suffered a shit tone. Still, when the horde need you to fight to save the world, and your own people you send something to fight. You don't decide suddenly to just keep the protection of the horde to sit on your ass
The Orcs didn't have a choice, nor did the Tauren, or the Trolls - the Forsaken also did nothing to contend with the Lich King until the rest of the Horde was ready to bring the fight to him in the lead-up into WotLK. I also doubt the Blood Elves just wanted to "sit on their ass," as it were; they were simply spread thin and nearly exhausted as a race after two brutal wars in which they were brought to the brink of extinction. That's a pretty huge blow to a people, after all, so a brief respite wouldn't be that out of question. The Tauren and Trolls were also given the needed time to settle down and build Thunder Bluff as well as Sen'jin Village, as well, and I would say neither of those groups had been quite as decimated as the Blood Elves post-TBC.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Remember what she said about the eternal cycle of Hatred created by alliances and how this shit is fucking with the planet, and what everyone trully forgot about it in the BfA intro?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJr3dXZfcg
Now use this phrase and remember the Warcraft 3 Ending with Medivh's last words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiHdf5sOsk
it doesn't take too long to discover that Faction conflict FUCKED Azeroth over the years, and its time to everyone to stop with this shit before the void takes over.
The problem was they had done so much prior to this situation, that they were on the brink of collapse due to pushing their armies to the limit. They had the scourge and Amani to contend with constantly, they had conquered Outland and invaded Northrend just a few years prior and now had a civil war on their hand that literally just ended with many of their troops still injured and were told to march on immediately.
It is quite easy to see both sides of the argument.
the high elves are allowed to enter quelthalas we see many high elves in the questline queldelar and lorthemar lets go through the sunwell in the quest introduction nightborne. the void elves are exiled not because they are part of the alliance but because their void magic is a danger to the sunwell and the survival of the blood elves!
if you played the side of the horde you will see that blood elves and nightborne get along very well and thalyssra has lorthemar in very high esteem. when the factions finish it is clear that suramar and quelthalas will remain together
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quelthalas had gone through a civil war for a few months and the blood elves were very weak. lorthemar's job is to protect his people not send them to die when they are just recovering after a war
Really?
The conflicts against Elementals, Dragons, Old gods and Undead for decades did nothing to strengthen Azeroth's armies. But Horde and Alliance, they kept us strong?
bullshit.
Azeroth is beset by a world ending threat every few years, we won't need faction conflicts depleting our armies to remain strong.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
That's some heavy filtering here. In all cases, the whole "we should unite to fight a common foe" was a theme throughout the fight, with friction and skirmirshes on the fringe to justify continued PvP. Point is, this speech about "let's stop fighting and unite" has been reused every other patch since all the way from Warcraft III.