Status of Lore Characters

[breslin]

Hey, been away from the game for a bit and wondering if someone could fill in some blanks.

Grom Hellscream from Wod?

Illidan from Legion?

Malfurion?

The Windrunner sisters?

Saurfang?

The Valkyr People from legion?

Thrall?

Thanks

[Amnaught]

Alleria is in Kul Tiras.

Illidan is stranded with the Titans, as Sargeras' jailer.

Thrall is in Nazjatar.

Valkyr are still in their cloud bubble and Stormheim.

Saurfang has been with us this whole expansion.

Grom died.

[Eggroll]

Hey, been away from the game for a bit and wondering if someone could fill in some blanks.

Thanks

Grom Hellscream from Wod?

- Nowhere to be found, somewhere on Draenor, farming

Illidan from Legion?

- Jailor of the evil Titan, somewhere out in the universe

Malfurion?

- utterly emasculated by "human potential", made into a joke

The Windrunner sisters?

- Sylvanas: mustache twirling UBER evil Horde leader, Alleria: character assassinated into a mere quest giver, the other one: vanished from sight despite being Jainas sidekick for all of MoP

Saurfang?

- turned into a selfpitying hypocritical, genocidal maniac (spearheaded mass murder of nelf civilians in Ashenvale), only to whine about "honor" later, what a joke.

The Valkyr People from legion?

- no idea

Thrall?

- selfpitying himself, farming on Draenor, also hooking up with Jaina again.

[StannMann]

Hey, been away from the game for a bit and wondering if someone could fill in some blanks.

Grom Hellscream from Wod?

Illidan from Legion?

Malfurion?

The Windrunner sisters?

Saurfang?

The Valkyr People from legion?

Thrall?

Thanks

Not sure how long you've been out of the loop, but I'll try. If anything's wrong, I'm sure someone will make note of it.

- Pretty sure he died in the Mag'har Orc Allied Race questline. It had a time skip and he was old by then.

- Hanging out with Sargeras and the Titan Pantheon after things happened at the end of Legion, no recent news

- Seriously wounded during the War of the Thorns (BFA prerelease), currently acting as a guerilla fighter in Darkshore fighting the Forsaken

- Sylvanas is warchief and I'd recommend looking up her recent stuff specifically, Alleria was found on Argus with Turalyon; she has void powers and helps the Alliance War Campaign, Vereesa hasn't done much in a while

- He distanced himself from the Horde after the after the Burning of Teldrassil and is in hiding while he tries to get support overthrowing Sylvanas

- They still exist, but haven't done much since Legion. There's vrykul you can find on island expeditions, but they haven't had a lot to do this expansion

- He had been out on a homestead in Outland Nagrand with his family after his part in Legion, Saurfang recruited him to assist in overthrowing Sylvanas

[mickybrighteyes]

Hey, been away from the game for a bit and wondering if someone could fill in some blanks.

Grom Hellscream from Wod?

Basically took over the Mag'har clans left behind when securing an escape from the Lightbound army on their crusade through AU Draenor.

Illidan from Legion?

Effectively tied up indefinitely

Malfurion?

Sort of side-lined as Tyrande has gone Night Warrior.

The Windrunner sisters?

Alleria tried recruiting the Quel'thalas into the alliance, failed and sort of buggered off. Vareesa has done jack shit outside of a very poor debrief when Alleria showed up in Legion.. Sylvanas has basically turned super villain for all intents and purposes but outside torching teldrassil they're doing a bad job actually presenting her as super evil. Like we don't see anything about why/how a deal was made with the San'layn but we get surprise San'layn showing up to powerbomb a gnome as a legit canon event.

Saurfang?

Orchestrated a war, decided he didn't like how it was turning out and buggered off because he has a new idea of honor that makes very little sense.

The Valkyr People from legion?

Eyir and the other valkyr? or the vrykul? Sort of sitting around the broken isles still.

Thrall?

was peacefully farming till a couple assassins and Saurfang showed up in a poorly explained railroad plothook.

[matrix123mko]

Grom Hellscream from Wod?

Killed by Yrel. His Iron Horde joins our Horde.

Illidan from Legion?

He wanted to stay at the Seat of Pantheon to keep an eye on Sargeras.

Malfurion?

Fighting undead in Darkshore.

The Windrunner sisters?

Alleria formed a new faction, consisting of blood elves banished for endangering the Sunwell by using void magic, called Ren'dorei. They joined the Alliance and they help players in some operations. Alleria herself stays in Boralus.

Sylvanas burned Teldrassil, lost Lordaeron to the Alliance and now she has civil war. Baine didn't like her plan to assassinate Jaina by brainwashing her newly resurrected brother to kill her. She imprisoned the Tauren but Thrall, Jaina and Saurfang free him and flee to Thunder Bluff. Apart from that, she has plan B for her war which is to use Xal'atath.

Veressa lost the lore spotlight after her meeting with sisters.

Saurfang?

First he planned invasion on night elves.
He didn't like excessive use of blight and now works with Anduin.

The Valkyr People from legion?

They still live in Stormheim. They don't like Bwonsamdi.

It is highly suggested that Helya came back.

Thrall?

He lived in farm until Saurfang came. Two undead assassins attacked Saurfang and Saurfang convinced Thrall that it was Sylvanas who wanted to kill Thrall. Then Thrall joins Saurfang and Baine.

[MatadorMedia]

Grom did not die. The last we saw him in the Mag'har Orc questline he was clashing with Yrel and the Lightforged Dranei. Although the Orc leader thinks he likely died, we did not see it happen and therefore he is still alive.

[Rozz]

Grom Hellscream from Wod?

Grom from WoD is believed to be dead (or captured), as he sacrificed himself to allow the PC and remaining Mag'har Orcs to escape to our timeline during the AR introduction quest. The orcs and draenei had peace for a while, until light fanaticism swept across Draenor as it once again began to die. The draenei lead by Yrel 'encouraged' everyone to turn to the light, while Light Forged Orcs attacked their 'atheistic' kin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEaurbg7XtQ <-- Wowhead video of the questline.

Illidan from Legion?

Illidan is with the pantheon guarding Sargeras. We have not heard from him since Legion.

Malfurion?

Malfurion is alive, as he survived Saurfang and Sylvanas' assault from the War of Thorns. After recovering at Stormwind, he and Tyrande "reclaim" Darkshore from the Horde and chase out Nathanos. To be honest we weren't given a final verdict on the warfront, but since the Horde is 'losing on all fronts' it's largely believed to be a NE victory. The writers also didn't comment on where NEs would officially relocate. But all characters who died in the Warfronts are not believed to be canonly dead, only 'defeated' for the sake of game mechanics.

The Windrunner sisters?

All three sisters are alive. Sylvanas is still Warchief, Alleria is still with the Alliance, and Vereesa maintains her position with the HEs and as a mother. Sylvanas has been the most active of the three, mostly scheming off screen. Atm the Horde leadership is planning a rebellion, but she has a 'plan' that involves Nathanos and Xalatath's empty dagger.

Saurfang?

Saurfang is with Baine and Thrall leading the rebellion against Sylvanas. They have the support of every AR leader as well, except the Maghar Orc leader who hasn't had a chance to comment since Baine's jailbreak.

The Valkyr People from legion?

They are all still alive, including the valkyr serving Eyir. You return and visit the area during Vol'Jin's questline.

Thrall?

Thrall has returned to help Saurfang and Baine take down Sylvanas. He has a new model and a shiny new axe. Apparently he was farming in Nagrand this whole time.

[breslin]

Thanks for the responses guys.

So to follow up is Grom's death shown or just basically done offscreen?

Who controls the burning legion? Were they like the scourge in that they needed a leader? Or are they trapped in the twisting nether?

Did Malfurions power get nerfed? He was basically a god in Cata, how did they defeat him? Or has he just kind of been ignored?

Did the Windrunner sisters ever reconcile with each other? Seeing Sylvanas actually have emotions during the frostmourne quest was quite touching.

Also does outland still exist and old draenor? With regards to the lore are people able to travel there?

[mickybrighteyes]

So to follow up is Grom's death shown or just basically done offscreen?

Not really explained. We are sort of holding out against the Lightbound army and leave and he's not present with the orcs that manage to evacuate.

Who controls the burning legion? Were they like the scourge in that they needed a leader? Or are they trapped in the twisting nether?

It's basically in shambles now with Sargeras locked up.

Did Malfurions power get nerfed? He was basically a god in Cata, how did they defeat him? Or has he just kind of been ignored?

Mostly the later. He was basically on his last legs for some reason and allowed to leave and then he's just sitting there in bear form when we see him.

Did the Windrunner sisters ever reconcile with each other? Seeing Sylvanas actually have emotions during the frostmourne quest was quite touching.

Nope. Alleria hears voices telling her to kill Sylvanas. Sylvanas seems to either want to group up with or bind her sisters in undeath.... but she's opted against going through with whatever plan she had when they last met.

Also does outland still exist and old draenor? With regards to the lore are people able to travel there?

AU draenor is not accessible. Outland is still somehow reachable (as evident from Saurfang and random assassins somehow reaching Thrall.

[Aeula]

Grom Hellscream from Wod? Likely dead or converted by the Lightbound.

Illidan from Legion? Jailor for Sargeras

Malfurion? Fighting the Horde in Darkshore

The Windrunner sisters? One is Warchief. One is in charge of changing talents. The other went AFK in Dalaran after their reunion.

Saurfang? He’s at Thunder Bluff, helping the Alliance take over.

The Valkyr People from legion? Drinking and fighting where they’ve always been.

Thrall? He’s at Thunder Bluff, helping the Alliance take over.

So to follow up is Grom's death shown or just basically done offscreen? Offscreen. He could still be alive.

Who controls the burning legion? Were they like the scourge in that they needed a leader? Or are they trapped in the twisting nether? They lack an overarching leader. Maybe some have lesser demons as commanders.

Did Malfurions power get nerfed? He was basically a god in Cata, how did they defeat him? Or has he just kind of been ignored? He got nerfed, I guess. He was OP and it needed to happen, but they failed to provide a reason for it.

Did the Windrunner sisters ever reconcile with each other? Seeing Sylvanas actually have emotions during the frostmourne quest was quite touching.
Lolno. Sylvanas barely stops herself from killing them both. A pity she didn’t.

Also does outland still exist and old draenor? With regards to the lore are people able to travel there?
Outland still exists, the Dark Portal probably goes there again now.

[Caerule]

So to follow up is Grom's death shown or just basically done offscreen?

Offscreen. He might not be dead. The Lightbound have converted orcs against their will. If we see Grom Hellscream from WoD again, he could be Lightbound.

Who controls the burning legion? Were they like the scourge in that they needed a leader? Or are they trapped in the twisting nether?

The Burning Legion were kind of like the Scourge, but also kind of opposite. Long answer:
Demons were a nuisance in the past. They are beings of chaos, corruption and destruction, serving no ends but their own. And at times, they could manage to slip out of the Nether and mess with worlds under the care of the Titans. The Titans had Sargeras and Aggramar to run pest control on this vermin. When Sargeras went mad and decided to purge the universe of life, though. They were forged into a Legion, and put to this tasks. He found the chaotic demons to be horrible at being an army, though. So he converted other races, primarily the Eredar, to be his Generals and lead chaotic self-serving focus in a coherent way, to actually be an army. And then he had that army burn world after world. Without Sargeras and his Generals, there is no Burning Legion. No grand vision or task. Just demons out for their own power and pleasure. Some worlds will still burn, and some demons may cling to the path of Sargeras. But an ununited Legion lacks the will to threaten the universe. And we have killed nearly all of the important leaders.

Did Malfurions power get nerfed? He was basically a god in Cata, how did they defeat him? Or has he just kind of been ignored?

Malfurion was recently shown to take out a Horde platoon on his own without trouble. He also faced Sylvanas in quest, made short work of Saurfang in story, and faced Sylvanas in story. He lost lost to Sylvanas due to an axe thrown by Saurfang at his back in reflex. I agree he should still be stronger than shown. But at least they are trying. It could also be argued that the last time we faced him ourselves he was not at full offensive power, because he was being a bear, focusing on protecting his wife, leaving the damage dealing to her.

Did the Windrunner sisters ever reconcile with each other? Seeing Sylvanas actually have emotions during the frostmourne quest was quite touching.

Reconciliation does not seem in the cards. Sylvanas spared her sisters from the ambush she had planned to kill them with, before this war. But while each has dabbled in dark paths, both living ones are aligned against Sylvanas. Alleria's void voices are shouting at her to kill her and Vereesa has said she wished she killed Sylvanas.

Also does outland still exist and old draenor? With regards to the lore are people able to travel there?

Outland exists, though the land and life there is weak, prone to crumble, as the world itself is. Saurfang, Thrall and Forsaken Assassins all made their way there without trouble. Given that Saurfang was in the south of the Eastern Kingdoms, the natural assumption is that, once the Dark Portal on WoD Dreanor was blown up, the connection to Outland was restored.

[MechaCThun]

AU Grommash Hellscream will more than likely resurface when we inevitably deal with the "Light versus Void" story. The draenei on AU Draenor are all but radicalized by the Light, becoming known as the "Lightbound", and we are lefting see Grommash Leroy Jenkins-ing the Yrel and her Lightbound to buy us time to escape back to MU Azeroth.

Also remember AU Garrosh does exist and he was forcefully "lighforged" to become a high ranking officer in the Lightbound.

Perhaps we will get to fight against the father + son duo eventually?

Also the Lightbound will eventually meet up with the Army of the Light in their universe. The question is, will the AotL become radicalized like the Lightbound currently are when that happens?

[Thage]

Hey, been away from the game for a bit and wondering if someone could fill in some blanks.

Grom Hellscream from Wod?

He and Lantresor engage in a last stand in the Mag'har unlock scenario, where it's revealed that Yrel and the AU draenei became zealots and did to the Mag'har what the Iron Horde did to them. Grom and Lantresor stay back to buy the Horde adventurer and the Mag'har time to escape to MU Azeroth after Yrel shows up with an army for a final showdown.

Illidan from Legion?

Locked away with Sargeras and the Titans to act as Sargeras's jailer.

Malfurion?

Malfurion is no longer AFK

The Windrunner sisters?

Sylvanas is Warchief. Alleria and Vereesa are working for the Alliance war effort.

Saurfang?

Stirring up a rebellion.

The Valkyr People from legion?

Odyn and the Valyrjar aren't up to much right now.

Thrall?

Back in action helping Saurfang and Baine's rebellion.

[Powerogue]

Hey, been away from the game for a bit and wondering if someone could fill in some blanks.

Grom Hellscream from Wod? Last seen charging the Lightbound army to give the mag'har time to escape. Presumed dead.

Illidan from Legion? Left him with the titans. He was going to be Sargeras's jailor, but they cut dialogue to make it more ambiguous. I like to think he's just kicking Sargeras in the balls over and over again for eternity.

Malfurion? Probably still with Tyrande leading warfront stuff in Darkshore last we saw them.

The Windrunner sisters? Last together at Windrunner Spire in that badly drawn comic, they parted ways bitterly. Alleria probably back with her void elves, Vareesa with her Rhoninspawn, and Sylvanas dipping puppies in blight or whatever she does in her spare time.

Saurfang? Last seen at the end of the War Campaign outside of Thunder Bluff, likely helping ensure the safety of Baine and prepare for Sylvanas's retribution.

The Valkyr People from legion? We got the vrykul there a new leader, the Val'kyr queen herself was saved from Sylvanas but is still defensive towards Horde players. They are likely concerned about Helya still being alive.

Thrall? With Saurfang. Not intending to take leadership of the Horde, whatever comes to pass.

Thanks

Ya welcome, homie.

[breslin]

Ya welcome, homie.

Thank you, and to everyone in the thread.