9.0 General Discussion

[Varodoc]

They won't redeem Sylvanas, and before anyone mentions Kerrigan:

1) Kerrigan was actually the player character for 1/3 of Starcraft franchise, so of course they want to satisfy the player and make them win. Sylvanas is an antagonist.
2) Kerrigan was mind-controlled by Amon when she slaughtered trillions while Sylvanas has free-will.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Her goods are greater though, I'm ready to support the "cause".

No, no she's out for herself.

[tristannarutofan]

What makes pre-patches so great isnt something that can be replicated outside extremely ambitious and anticipated patches. It is that unique sense of community that shows up when the servers are packed to the brim with players impatiently waiting for something they look forward to immensely.

It is camping Magni in Silithus for hours, idly passing the time by jumping off of the top of the giant sword.
It is almost crashing the Deadwind pass instance server by having so many players crammed there waiting for the launch.

Yea thats never been it for me.

Ppl discovering classe changes and new customization

Followed by system changes,

The ckmmunity aspect is in everyone talkong about it "oh yea u can do x now its awesome"

Then there is some appeal in ppl wigging out about demons or undead or elementals popping up in the cities.

I think legion is the only expansion ive ever been there for launch

[Makabreska]

Her goods are greater though, I'm ready to support the "cause".

Everybody knows that Syliv "goods" are the greaterest!

[Sondrelk]

Yea thats never been it for me.

Ppl discovering classe changes and new customization

Followed by system changes,

The ckmmunity aspect is in everyone talkong about it "oh yea u can do x now its awesome"

Then there is some appeal in ppl wigging out about demons or undead or elementals popping up in the cities.

I think legion is the only expansion ive ever been there for launch

Well there are other factors that make Pre-patches great, point is that it isnt really something that can be replicated outside those very specific instances of there bbeing lots of new stuff, and eager anticipation for even more stuff.

[LemonDemonGirl]

Everybody knows that Syliv "goods" are the greaterest!

Uhhh....
She's dead?

[Vasoka]

Uhhh....
She's dead?

She's UNdead. Still looks hot af.

[Makabreska]

Uhhh....
She's dead?

M8, you think that stopped all her fanboys?

[Vasoka]

I'd simp for Sylvanas more than Nathanos NGL.

[Varodoc]

Ugh, this is so cringe.

[spleen1015]

Sure but those random "Oh no there's an invasion" style events should be used to liven the world up.


Random out of my ass idea: In the Barrens there's a massive Centuar stampede and the Horde has to deal with it. Sure its not the most grand(Fighting an army of demons etc etc) but it would help if they did something unique. Obviously this is horde centric but I took an idea out of my ass to sorta liven things up once a Month. Doesn't need to be Expansion centric.

Blizz should have a small team whose job it is to revamp the existing world. They could work in ideas like this. Every .5 patch could give us 2-3 revamped zones with something to do.

If it was done right, it would bring a lot of life to the game. Not everything new has to be tied into the current expansion and story.

[Ersula]

Blizz should have a small team whose job it is to revamp the existing world. They could work in ideas like this. Every .5 patch could give us 2-3 revamped zones with something to do.

If it was done right, it would bring a lot of life to the game. Not everything new has to be tied into the current expansion and story.

I think there will be a time skip after shadowlands & that following expansion will revamp the old world in this way, but they've fully embraced them temporal nature of the leveling system the previous iterations of Azeroth will still exist.

And moving forward past Chromie Time, making shadowlands incompatable with Chromie time makes sense if they have a time skip planned, if time supposedly works differently there: Here's an example of how leveling works if 10.0 is post-time skip Azeroth:

Chromie Time 1-50
Shadowlands 50-60 with catch-up mechanics means you just have time to do the intro & choose a covenant
10.0 Azeroth 60-70, when you leave the shadowlands you suddenly discover 20 years or so have passed

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They won't redeem Sylvanas, and before anyone mentions Kerrigan:

1) Kerrigan was actually the player character for 1/3 of Starcraft franchise, so of course they want to satisfy the player and make them win. Sylvanas is an antagonist.
2) Kerrigan was mind-controlled by Amon when she slaughtered trillions while Sylvanas has free-will.

Kerrigan was not mind-controlled when she killed Fenix, or assaulted the human republic. I have no idea what will happen to Sylvanas but they turned Illidan into a Christ-figure & his kill count is still higher than Sylvanas'. And She's behaving very antagonistically, but she hasn't really been an antagonist so much as a force that plunges the players into new content: N'zoth literally wanted her to have Xal'atath's dagger because it was powerful & he assumed she'd covet it, but she immediately gives it away which allows player to kill him.

Honestly if she does succeeding "freeing us all" (I mean, Sylvanas gets a job at the prison, Nathanos gets killed IE. sent to the maw: They're following a conventional prison break scenario) and she doesn't die, the people who hate her will still have every reason to hate her, while the people who like her will feel vindicated: Which is honestly everything a storyteller could hope for.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Blizz should have a small team whose job it is to revamp the existing world. They could work in ideas like this. Every .5 patch could give us 2-3 revamped zones with something to do.

If it was done right, it would bring a lot of life to the game. Not everything new has to be tied into the current expansion and story.

Yes, I just don't have any suggetions to the rewards offered aside from Gold but the economy and all that. The idea is reuse the invasion system from Legion and BFA but use it for areas that pop up in older areas every so often. I said every month cause that was my thought, that said though the BFA invasions where weekly and I don't know how everyone feels about that.


Obviously for this to work as a evergreen feature it would need multiple places. My Barrens one is basically Horde centric and well it fits, Alliance wise it does not but there's plenty of ideas that can work and add smaller scale stuff going on(I.E. Orcs that invade Ashenvale cause...well every society has deviants and well you get the picture)

Thats not SL related but I had to get my thought out. Doubt Blizz will do it, don't see them feeling the same as I do.

[Varodoc]

I think there will be a time skip after shadowlands & that following expansion will revamp the old world in this way, but they've fully embraced them temporal nature of the leveling system the previous iterations of Azeroth will still exist.

And moving forward past Chromie Time, making shadowlands incompatable with Chromie time makes sense if they have a time skip planned, if time supposedly works differently there: Here's an example of how leveling works if 10.0 is post-time skip Azeroth:

Chromie Time 1-50
Shadowlands 50-60 with catch-up mechanics means you just have time to do the intro & choose a covenant
10.0 Azeroth 60-70, when you leave the shadowlands you suddenly discover 20 years or so have passed

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Kerrigan was not mind-controlled when she killed Fenix, or assaulted the human republic. I have no idea what will happen to Sylvanas but they turned Illidan into a Christ-figure & his kill count is still higher than Sylvanas'. And She's behaving very antagonistically, but she hasn't really been an antagonist so much as a force that plunges the players into new content: N'zoth literally wanted her to have Xal'atath's dagger because it was powerful & he assumed she'd covet it, but she immediately gives it away which allows player to kill him.

Honestly if she does succeeding "freeing us all" (I mean, Sylvanas gets a job at the prison, Nathanos gets killed IE. sent to the maw: They're following a conventional prison break scenario) and she doesn't die, the people who hate her will still have every reason to hate her, while the people who like her will feel vindicated: Which is honestly everything a storyteller could hope for.

Huh, yes, she was mind-controlled. That's why the Good Kerrigan literally spoke to Raynor (You, the player) during the final mission vs. the Queen of Blades. Sylvanas also wanted N'Zoth to kill as many people as possible (N'Zoth being a universal threat), and Illidan didn't kill nearly as many people as Sylvanas.

Sylvanas will never be redeemed. Savor her final moments, you fanboys, because she is going to die in Shadowlands.

[Sondrelk]

I think there will be a time skip after shadowlands & that following expansion will revamp the old world in this way, but they've fully embraced them temporal nature of the leveling system the previous iterations of Azeroth will still exist.

And moving forward past Chromie Time, making shadowlands incompatable with Chromie time makes sense if they have a time skip planned, if time supposedly works differently there: Here's an example of how leveling works if 10.0 is post-time skip Azeroth:

Chromie Time 1-50
Shadowlands 50-60 with catch-up mechanics means you just have time to do the intro & choose a covenant
10.0 Azeroth 60-70, when you leave the shadowlands you suddenly discover 20 years or so have passed

Next expansion putting us at 70 levels would be pretty pointless and a bit of a regression considering. Which is also why 10.0 should be a world revamp. Shadowlands doesnt function as well as an introductory experience for new players. BfA only barely works after all the larger overarching plotlines have been removed. Shadowlands cannot really do that.

[Ersula]

Next expansion putting us at 70 levels would be pretty pointless and a bit of a regression considering. Which is also why 10.0 should be a world revamp. Shadowlands doesnt function as well as an introductory experience for new players. BfA only barely works after all the larger overarching plotlines have been removed. Shadowlands cannot really do that.

Which is why new players are ushered into BFA content by default. And doing the typical +10 levels is fine since with chromie time already in place doing a level squish whenever they want is simple now. And by the time we get to 90 they will have had to make an entirely new system anyway because that'd be about 8 years from now. And how vital is the context of BFA ultimately? I can't speak for the rest of the expansion but Sylvanas & the jailor show up 1 (one) total time in the entirely of the leveling experience

Huh, yes, she was mind-controlled. That's why the Good Kerrigan literally spoke to Raynor (You, the player) during the final mission vs. the Queen of Blades. Sylvanas also wanted N'Zoth to kill as many people as possible (N'Zoth being a universal threat), and Illidan didn't kill nearly as many people as Sylvanas.

Sylvanas will never be redeemed. Savor her final moments, you fanboys, because she is going to die in Shadowlands.

Sylvanas killed, what? About a thousand Night Elves? Illidan destroyed an entire planet, and that was long after he was a member of the Legion's army.

As for Kerrigan, they may have implied mind control in Brood War, but in StarCraft 2 she directly explains she was not mind-controlled: That in killing Fenix was simply "what she had to do." [to bring her to the place where she could stop Amon & Mengsk]: I think we're over redemption. Even in stories specifically about redemption there are people who feel like it wasn't earned. But this isn't a redemption story at all. I point to Illidan or Azshara, who are simply too fun to kill off.

[Phunkle]

2) Kerrigan was mind-controlled by Amon when she slaughtered trillions while Sylvanas has free-will.

... or doesn't she?!?!

[Kiivar86]

Hard to be called a hero then you BBQ alive 10k nelfs with a smile on your face. Also, she doesn't care about freeing anybody but herself.

Wouldn't be the first time.

They made Grom a hero in WoD at the end, despite all he had done.

[Sondrelk]

Which is why new players are ushered into BFA content by default. And doing the typical +10 levels is fine since with chromie time already in place doing a level squish whenever they want is simple now. And by the time we get to 90 they will have had to make an entirely new system anyway because that'd be about 8 years from now. And how vital is the context of BFA ultimately? I can't speak for the rest of the expansion but Sylvanas & the jailor show up 1 (one) total time in the entirely of the leveling experience

Point is that the level squish is a solution to the problem of meaningless levels, not to mention Chromie time being a solution to making the levelling as a whole more streamlined by ensuring that the player gets the full effect from a single expansion, and then the new expansion as the endgame.

If you make the next expansion go to level 70 then you immediately start up the same problem that we are trying to avoid with the level squish. It is far more likely that Blizzard intends to keep 60 as the maximum level forever, simply resetting players levels to 50 at the start of each new expansion.

[Varodoc]

Which is why new players are ushered into BFA content by default. And doing the typical +10 levels is fine since with chromie time already in place doing a level squish whenever they want is simple now. And by the time we get to 90 they will have had to make an entirely new system anyway because that'd be about 8 years from now. And how vital is the context of BFA ultimately? I can't speak for the rest of the expansion but Sylvanas & the jailor show up 1 (one) total time in the entirely of the leveling experience


Sylvanas killed, what? About a thousand Night Elves? Illidan destroyed an entire planet, and that was long after he was a member of the Legion's army.

As for Kerrigan, they may have implied mind control in Brood War, but in StarCraft 2 she directly explains she was not mind-controlled: That in killing Fenix was simply "what she had to do." [to bring her to the place where she could stop Amon & Mengsk]: I think we're over redemption. Even in stories specifically about redemption there are people who feel like it wasn't earned. But this isn't a redemption story at all. I point to Illidan or Azshara, who are simply too fun to kill off.

What are you even talking about? Illidan never destroyed a planet, it was Ner'zhul who did that, and the Fourth War was one of the bloodiest world wars in Azeroth's history. This is without taking into consideration all the people killed in Gilneas, Southshore, Andorhal, etc. If you are referring to Nathreza, Illidan did the cosmos a favour by dealing a critical blow to the Legion.

I'm not talking about Brood War, I'm talking about Wings of Liberty. In the final mission, Ghost Kerrigan literally speaks to Raynor and tells him not to give up, so very clearly Kerrigan wasn't fully in control of herself, since Amon was influencing her.